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1. Seller does not know anything about marbles and sees that CAC marbles bring big money on other listings, so CAC it is.

2. Seller bought some books, not real sure but kinda looks like this one in the book.

2. Seller hopes someone not knowing any better buys it.

The only three reasons I can think of.

SNYD

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1. Seller does not know anything about marbles and sees that CAC marbles bring big money on other listings, so CAC it is.

2. Seller bought some books, not real sure but kinda looks like this one in the book.

2. Seller hopes someone not knowing any better buys it.

The only three reasons I can think of.

SNYD

This is a knowledgeable seller with much experience and a good reputation who is a member of this forum. I trust he had an honest reason for calling it CAC, even if it turns out that he is mistaken.

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So is this one of the marbles that some people have suggested could have been made in Canada?

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Thanks for all the feedback on this auction.

If someone can tell me who made these I will gladly pull the auction.

They are detailed and shown on pages 81,82 and 83 in the book "Collecting Early Machine-made Marbles".

I really don't bother much with the boards so if there is new information/evidence available on who made these I would love to be educated.

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Bob was way off attributing those types to CAC. Colors are all wrong and construction is also completely different IMO. No Positive maker has been found but most turn up in Canada so they are often called Canadian. I would have thought you knew at least that much. Sorry if you did not know any of that. I think it was maybe Roger that has a great study on them somewhere. The red and blue also is not CAC

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I pulled the two auctions. Yes most of these were found in Canada, that does not make them Canadian. Everyones opinion is just that, an opinion. I did have a couple of these many years ago that had oxblood in them, (wish I had kept one) but I did not. To me at that time I felt they were M.F.Christensen but that was just an opinion, I really have no idea who made these but I do not believe they were "Made in Canada".

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At the time the book was written, these were identified by collectors as Christensen Agates. That is why it is attributed that way in the book. Until the publisher sells the books he has, he is not going to print a new edition.

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I pulled the two auctions. Yes most of these were found in Canada, that does not make them Canadian. Everyones opinion is just that, an opinion. I did have a couple of these many years ago that had oxblood in them, (wish I had kept one) but I did not. To me at that time I felt they were M.F.Christensen but that was just an opinion, I really have no idea who made these but I do not believe they were "Made in Canada".

I guess it's a compliment, sort of, that Galen assumed you would know about these mystery marbles.

I was sure you wouldn't knowingly post them as the wrong thing.

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If I seem to be a bit rough it is because you blew my perception of you. . You should have pulled them, And if you do not know who made why not say so. Why list them as Christensen?? Marble collecting is confusing enough with out folks that know better contributing to the confusion. I hope times are not so tough for you that it caused this lack of judgement.

Just a cranky, judgemental, outspoken marble collector . Galen Wilcox

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" Why list them as Christensen?? "

Because at the time that he listed them, that's what the resource he had said that they were.

If someone hasn't been around the forums for the past few years, how was he supposed to suspect otherwise? It's common knowledge to you now. But if BJ has been up there minding his own business in Canada, it's quite understandable for him not to realize that the rug was pulled out from under that ID.

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I think BJ has heard all the stories. For example he says he knows most have been found in Canada. I may be wrong but his reply kind of backs up what I think. Hope I am wrong. After all the BS I see and hear when it comes to this hobby it is getting real hard for me to believe the ignorance story from someone as knowledgeable about the hobby as BJ. No big deal, he pulled the auctions and knows whether he used the CAC name to make a $. Maybe BJ just had a lapse, I know I have them, And he probably would sell them for good money with a proper listing. And a lower starting price.

Galen Wilcox: Ebay marble policeman (LOL)

Board of Inquiry may be a better place for this thread. Sorry

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Thanks for the Kangaroo court.

I do not think they were made in Canada.

I still lean to Christensen and never try to deceive.

I don't need the money and the last ones I sold were purchased by veteran collectors that shared the same opinion as me.

Thanks for slandering me I appreciate it, .

Where were these made Marble Police?

I have not bothered with the boards for many years because of __ll shit like this.

I found out about this thread from someone who took the time to send me a question on the listing and pointed me here.

If you do not agree with someones description it would be so easy to point out the "New Evidence" if it exists to who made these.

Thanks Steph for all you do for this board.

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Sorry BJ, I could have gone about this in a much more civilized manner. We have been discussing these and studying them for years. Absolutely no way they are CAC IMO . Besides the glass being all wrong there is often odd cut off marks that one never finds on CACs, Also the thick 9 and odd patterning often found at the cut off is different than what one usually sees with CAC, There are also transparent based ones and many with white base glass IMO. The glass colors are sort of Muted and tend to blend together BJs really shows this, something you really don,t see with CACs. They are very easy to identify in hand. I turned one around that has the little crease pontil(cut off)

Steff, was it Roger that has the big collection of these? He also posted great pics at one time. Found it http://members.kingston.net/browse/transpics/

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Thanks for the information. Not following the boards or getting involved in these discussions at the marble shows is ignorance on my part.

I will cease calling them CAC,s.

I believe Roger has tried to find out information on any Canadian involvement but the last time we talked (many years ago) he had not found any.

I do not collect CAC,s nor studied them, I like akro and hand mades. Any I have ever picked up I quickly flipped.

Still would like to know where they come from and why I had a couple that had oxblood.

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My last statement on this subject.

I do not study marbles, I collect as a hobby for the beauty and appeal/artistry of marbles and when I find/buy things that I do not want I will flip them. My reputation I believe is for finding and selling good to great marbles at reasonable prices. I do not do this as a business but rather to reinvest this money on more marbles and unless it has sentimental value to me my mark up is minimal.

No one has ever approached me at a marble show and started a discussion on CAC's or any other marble for that matter and I do avoid the boards. I enjoy the social aspect of a marble show/marble hobby and nothing more.

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