Rooneydog Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Thanks for looking. Am I correct and if so any idea on the maker ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Could it be Leighton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooneydog Posted June 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Could it be Leighton? I didn't want to say that because I have been wrong every time so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
disco005 Posted June 19, 2015 Report Share Posted June 19, 2015 Haha! Rooneydog Anything other than an Akro, and I'm in the same boat, can't get em right yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 I think it has a better chance of being one of the so called Japanese Transitionals. I see a big spidery cut off not a melted pontil. Nothing about it looks "Leighton" to me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 20, 2015 Report Share Posted June 20, 2015 The white glass looked Japanese to me but the end looked ... like something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I expect any Leighton marble (which includes Barberton) to have a melted pontil, and this doesn't. And I join Steph in first thinking "Japanese" until I saw the rough pontil. Ummmm . . . just throwin' it out there . . . Bulgarian Curiosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooneydog Posted June 22, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Having just read this "The first marbles produced in Germany were single pontil slag type that are now referred to as Transitionals. A gob was gathered from a tank that contained a mixture of glass, and then sheared off the punty using Greiner’s marble scissors. This began in about 1850. Many have Regular or Ground Pontils and are black, or dark green, with white. It is generally accepted that “Leighton” Transitionals were produced in Germany. Virtually all “Leighton” Transitionals have come through England, which was the main destination of export from Germany." Early German ? just saying as I have no idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Anything is possible. But the glass doesn't look like the early Germans to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Road Dog Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Galen is on target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Galen is on target. I can accept that. But I don't see the "big spidery cut off." I see a rough pontil. But that may just be my slightly-warped-brain's interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 . . . It is generally accepted that “Leighton” Transitionals were produced in Germany. Virtually all “Leighton” Transitionals have come through England, which was the main destination of export from Germany." Just to avoid confusion, and there's still plenty of it, everywhere, the above sentence is correct -- but those marbles are not now called "Leighton." At least not by a lot of people. They're usually referred to as German hand-gathered "ground-pontil" marbles -- the marbles formerly known as Prince. Leighton. And the bases are frequently light-colored and transparent. Those of us who have made the adjustment (and not all have) reserve the term "Leighton" for those American hand-gathered, melted-pontil marbles actually made by or closely associated with J. H. Leighton (Navarre, Barberton, etc.). Lots of them are purple. And restrict the term "transitional" to marbles that were hand gathered but machine rounded. Still some discussion on that one, I think. But it makes sense. Although I think a case can be made for calling the earliest hand-gathered slag-type marbles transitionals, too (like the ground-pontil Germans and the American Leightons), as transitioning away from the traditional cane-cut marbles. But then would you have to think of all hand-gathered marbles as transitionals, whether machine-rounded or not? Because they're all eventually to be replaced by machine-mades? Ugg. Maybe another thread. Making a long story short = every time you see the term "Leighton" or "transitional," little tiny warning flags should pop up. Find out what those terms mean to the person who's using them . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 The Japanese transitionals can actually have a smooth surface, small indent big curved rough cut line to a mass of spider web like cold rolls. The color and composition is the dead giveaway on this one. Winnie can verify they came with very varied cut offs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 Well, if I turn my head sideways and squint a little . . . And ignore the peculiarly watery look of the glass in photo #3 . . . I'll say Japanese too. Interesting color. Is it really that yellow? I'm not seeing it as green. I'd need a touch more green to call it chartreuse . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted June 22, 2015 Report Share Posted June 22, 2015 I will admit it is a very strange cutoff to be found on this type????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1DanS Posted June 23, 2015 Report Share Posted June 23, 2015 I see a poor cut/shear mark, most likely caused by dull blades. Leighton transitional (melted pontil): Used to be a Leighton transitional (ground pontil): thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 What's the size? Most angles look like "Japanese" construction but expected more of the spidery pontil traits if this were the case. The only thing that would potentially make me think otherwise is the size or actual color. Pictures look yellow but described as green which could be a trick of the light Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 The color looks good to me for a Japanese slag,they do have all kind of cut off's,although not often it may even be a little rough. This one is from the Japanese box. I think it would be nice to start a new thread with German transitionals,cause I really don't know what they look like,except the ones Idans has posted with the ground pontils,they're for me real German slags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Good detail on that one, Winnie. The rough part was unexpected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooneydog Posted June 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Thanks for all responses. More pics. Size is slightly less than 3/4 (18mm) As for the colour probably yellow green of some sort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 I'd say the second group of pics makes things a bit more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted June 24, 2015 Report Share Posted June 24, 2015 Those last pics show an obvious Japanese type IMO. The cutoff looks to be in the fourth original pic. Not sure what that is in the second pic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'llhavethat1 Posted June 25, 2015 Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 In the original post the second and fourth pic look to be same angle but with the glare is hard to tell The last pics I agree show a Japanese-style cutoff, but appear to be on a different pole than what's shown in the original post?? Are there two cutoffs (or rough spots) on opposite poles of this marble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooneydog Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Are there two cutoffs (or rough spots) on opposite poles of this marble? Given my very limited and new knowledge I would say yes A spider (Japanese) style on 1 pole and a regular handmade on the other ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooneydog Posted June 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2015 Those last pics show an obvious Japanese type IMO. The cutoff looks to be in the fourth original pic. Not sure what that is in the second pic. From the 1st set of pictures the 2nd and 4th are the same pole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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