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Contemporary Or Vintage?


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Got these 3 yesterday, and while I think they are most likely contemporary, I figured I would get some opinions to see if I am correct. The smallest one looks to be a divided core swirl (solid core with 4 ribbons around it - the red and blue strands have a very slight space off the core) and the other two look to be ribbon core, although the middle sized one could be a divided ribbon, as I can't quite tell if the is a few gaps in the ribbon or it is a thin strand of a light color.

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The person had a mix of contemporary and old, but she didn't know enough to say either way which were which. I have read a couple books now on the subject, and picked these one because I had read that newer ribbon cores had ribbons closer to the surface. I was hoping they might be old, but I didn't want to say for sure with my limited knowledge

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When it comes to the old Germans, "new" and "old" are not really good terms to use. They're all old. What I think the author was trying to do was connect style to age, which sometimes works and sometimes doesn't. Anyhoo, it's not very reliable (at least I don't think it is) when talking about the hand-made, cane-cut Germans ("English" colors being a notable exception). Usually the best we can do is say that If an old German marble has a faceted pontil, it was probably made between about 1860 and 1880 or so. If it has a rough (not faceted or heat-smoothed) pontil it was probably made between about 1880 and 1920, when they were hurrying up the process a bit. And being overtaken by American-made marbles.

I've seen (and have) some single and double ribbon cores where the edges of the ribbons come almost to the surface, but their faceted pontils date them to the 1860-1880 time period . . .

The best book on antique marbles is Paul Baumann's Collecting Antique Marbles. I can't recommend it highly enough. You'll seldom go wrong with his info. (He does venture into American machine-mades a little at the end.)

And, save the word "contemporary" for when you mean . . . yesterday! OK, from about 1970 up until yesterday, or so. That's pretty much what most marble collectors mean by contemporary . . .

It sounds like we may have him hooked, guys . . . hehehe :D

Contemporary hand-made, cane-cut marbles (by Steve Maslach):

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She definitely had some that were made recently, so that's why I was questioning them. I still have so much to learn that I don't want to be quick to judgement on anything and be wrong. I am definitely going to check out that book - after I read the akro book that is coming in the mail today:-)

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Lol I got that one already, but have only read a bit so far. I am slowly going down the book list here on the forum so that I can learn as much as I can. I appreciate all the help this forum offers me.

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If you really are serious about marbles try very very hard to get to a show, One Saturday at a show will be more marble identification than you can get from many years of reading books.

I am planning to go to the Vegas show. The Washington on is too far of a drive. I have been trying to find a club in socal to join
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