EdNargel Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Personally I love marble names in fact I even give some of my Pelts names but I don't usually unleash them on the public however I do think that there should be a visible connection between the name and the marble. these are of what I consider to be a classic Sunset and some Sunsets in various stages of burntness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdNargel Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Just a thought but I wonder if when the Sunset burns that it also gives the clear base the amber/brownish tint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 1 hour ago, EdNargel said: . . . I do think that there should be a visible connection between the name and the marble . . . ^^^ That there. No green Sunsets. None. Line in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 Ed, ". . . various stages of burntness" - that's funny! Any chance your top one is Kokomo? And just so nobody thinks I invented the idea of green Sunsets . . . From AM-MM, p. 133: "Sunsets are those Rainbos with a transparent base sometimes sparkling with air bubbles - with red, orange, yellow, white or green ribbons. Sometimes the colors are reversed." hmmmmm . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 As good as AMMM is, it ain't perfect! Not blaming you, Ric! I've even had someone try to argue blue Sunsets to me. Blue. Snort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 I won't argue, but I have some blue sunsets, and it don't seem so strange to me, considering that most of the marbles shown in the recent "Akro or Peltier" thread by loanminnow, were the ones called Sunsets by Peltier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 19 minutes ago, migbar said: . . . the ones called Sunsets by Peltier... Show me? Still not gonna call no blue or green marbles Sunsets, but . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted August 16, 2016 Report Share Posted August 16, 2016 2 hours ago, migbar said: I won't argue, but I have some blue sunsets, and it don't seem so strange to me, considering that most of the marbles shown in the recent "Akro or Peltier" thread by loanminnow, were the ones called Sunsets by Peltier... The idea of a blue sunset is very appealing to me. I am not sure I've seen one. Of course, blue fizz are a dime a dozen. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 The early "Ketchup and Mustard", "Christmas Tree", "Rebel", "Golden Rebel", Liberty", and "Superman" marbles were called "Sunsets" by Peltier. I don't know about the "Blue Galaxy" marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I wonder if folks knew that when the colloquial definition of "Sunset" was proposed. I am just now learning about the company name . . . so thanks for that! And you're killing me with this blue sunset thing . . . are you talking about BGs now or more like blue and white ribbons in a transparent base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plummerme Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Original Sunset box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mibcapper Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 veryyyy nice ... kentucky .... bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 lots of blue sunsets in that box!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdNargel Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdNargel Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Bill's marbles are okay if you like that sort of thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdNargel Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 7 hours ago, Ric said: Ed, ". . . various stages of burntness" - that's funny! Any chance your top one is Kokomo? No offense to Kokomo lovers but I hope not, I'm pretty confident it's Pelt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Okee doakee. Let's forget, for the time being, the NLRs labeled Sunsets by Peltier in that nice nice box. Let's just think about the marbles that collectors call Sunsets. You know the ones I mean. Why do you think the name "sunset" was chosen for that particular marble? Keeping in mind that most collector names for Pelts are color-combination names? Because it was blue? Because it was green? I don't think so. Maybe some collectors, for some reason, have tried to expand it into a "type" that's construction-based instead of color-based, but that's another issue. To me, anyway. If you want to define that type by construction I would suggest another name -- not a color-oriented one -- be used. We could have a naming contest. Except for Galen, of course. But mainly, after waiting so long for a green fizz to come to my house, I ain't callin' it no Sunset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ric Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Ooohh, nice and fizzly - great marble. I want a blue one - with AV, of course. I understand your argument, Ann. Although, I am not sure trying to define the colors of an actual sunset is the way to go. And super boxes there Mr. Plummer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 I'd like a blue fizz myself! That Pelt called NLRs "Sunsets" (at least early on?) was a new one on me, too. Are there any more "Sunset" boxes containing marbles other than NLRs? Or NLR boxes labeled as such but without the "Sunset" stamp? Being box lite myself (except for my beloved Cerises) . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck G Posted August 17, 2016 Report Share Posted August 17, 2016 Ann, very well said. I do have a few "Green Fizzes" so e-mail me and we can talk about one for you. "Blue Fizz" so far (notta), one i have yet to find and for it to meet my criteria, it may be impossible, (UNLESS) someone can show an example. It has to (HAVE) a blue transparent ribbon in it, but that is for me. Thinking about this, i do have a amber transparent ribboned one that i classify as in the "Fizz" family and also (i think) a purple one. They also have to have some florescent to them. Being placed into the "Sunset" family, let whomever choose what they may. Chuck G-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Ding Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 For those of you that would hope that a marble called a Sunset should have the plausible colors seen during a Sunset (which seems like a reasonable argument for sure), if it isn't there then it shouldn't be, and so green and blue should be out of the Sunset group, But, I'll point out the two optical phenomenon sometimes seen for a second or so at sun-up and sun-down known as the green flash and blue flash...the blue flash is much much rarer but the green is rare too. I might be splitting hairs (LOL, I really am) because it is such a brief event, but there it is! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_flash John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 On 8/15/2016 at 7:55 PM, Chuck G said: Steph, this could get into a (huge) discussion. So many collectors have their (opinions) on this family type and it may run into many many directions. "Sunsets" are a generalized family type to describe an overall group set by most collectors to fall into a certain described marble. So, to start, is it still a "Sunset" if the base is a colored transparent base? Do "Sunsets" all have outer vaneered ribbons or internal ribbons or both? Does a "Clear K&M" or "Clear Clown" still be classified as "Sunset"? For me and this is my (opinion), so do not hold it against me, that if the pelt has a defined name but just say that this is a "Clear K&M" that is in the "Sunset" family type. I (think) when Peltier produced the (named) box sets called "Sunsets" they may have had absolutely anything in the boxes, trying to keep the theme of the "Sunset" name. It is just a plain generalized category name. My thoughts and opinions. Chuck G-- Everyone is entitled to publicize their thoughts and opinions and in our democracy, most opinions seemingly carry equal importance. Amongst marble collectors, names of marbles often have no bearing on the original factory name, which is OK when most collectors agree on a given name for a certain type of marble and that name does not conflict with the same name originally designated to another type of marble. For example, Akro's aces are called corkscrews, onyx are slags, etc. Peltier chose the name "Sunset" for their National Line tri-colored marbles. That is evident from the description of marbles in their price lists, names printed on boxes of marbles (as Galen said and Kevin Plummer showed), in jobber catalogs and probably elsewhere (the "Peltier Documents"?). These are the Peltier marbles we now call rebel, christmas tree, liberty, etc. (as Mike said). The problem with collectors designating the name "sunset" to another type of marble is that it's potentially confusing, especially, for example, to a marble or glass historian researching original documents and artifacts, who may be unfamiliar with collector's names. Anyone know who started calling these transparent marbles "sunset", and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JerryG Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 On 8/17/2016 at 8:15 AM, ann said: But mainly, after waiting so long for a green fizz to come to my house, I ain't callin' it no Sunset. So, what makes a green fizz a green fizz? I've got two marbles with this colored base (I call it Antifreeze). Neither as bubbly, though both have bubbles. One has orange and white ribbons and the other has yellow ribbons. Try to post some pictures later today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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