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CAC vs Alley -- 2 mibs... help me understand!

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So I have these 2 pretty mibs. And their structure looks really similar to me (but hey, I'm still a novice here!)...

This first one here, I bought on ebay, listed as CAC, from a pretty reputable seller (feedback over 5000 at 100%). The other mibs I bought from them seem correct, and so do their current listings. I have no reason to doubt their ID as CAC.

Here's the CAC (which I also posted in the CAC thread in Study Hall, and no one questioned there) --

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Now this next one I just bought at the Indy Show, sold as Alley. I certainly have no reason to doubt that ID either. 

Here's the Alley: 

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Now, I look at both of these, and get totally confused! 🤣 The structure seems incredibly similar to me. I don't see what it is that makes the first one CAC and the second one Alley. 

Can you guys help a newbie out here, and point out the differences I'm not seeing? I'd really appreciate the chance to learn/understand. 😊  Is it not the structure at all, but the colors alone that determine the maker in this case? 

Does anyone have a CAC that looks like that first one that they could share pictures of? 

 

(I'm also open to the possibility that it ISN'T a CAC -- but would also like to understand why!)

 

Thanks a bunch, folks!

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Well, I wasn't sure on the first one, but I'm not a CAC person so I didn't want to cast doubt without reason.

 

 

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 I have doubt. Both look Alley to me. Many Alley's have been sold for years as CAC. The Alley Blue Lady, the Alley West Virginian, and lots of other Alleys were sold as CAC. The first Alley Blue Lady which I purchased was sold to me as CAC.  Things change with more information and some people do not stay updated.  Some people are just totally unwilling to change. 

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Ahh, so there might not be anything wrong with my eyes (or brain, for that matter!), if they're both Alley! Thanks Ron!

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Little late to the party, have to agree with Ron. In the first pic you can see the cut off and CAC does not usually show clear between the colors. Nice marbles. 

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the color of the glass is not CA, there is a pic somewhere that shows most of the CA colors. I will try and dig it up, its a pic of dug fragments from the factory, marble halves etc.

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Guess I'll pile on to. Think they're both Alley. First on just doesn't have a CAC feeling for me.

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First thing that screams not CAC are all the striations in the Opaque glass.  Not at all what you would expect to see in CAC glass

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Aaah, gotcha. Didn't know that would point to not CAC. But yes it was those striations that made me think they were the same maker! Thanks Galen!

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First one doesn’t look like cac to me, more alley.    Second is a great alley that people used to think was cac. They are confusing.  I wouldnt Be mad at the seller.  It happens.  Hopefully you got it inexpensively as most cac collectors would know its alley 

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Oh yeah I'm not mad at the seller all (I hadn't even thought to be mad at the seller until you mentioned it, LOL!). Maybe if I had spent more than $5 on it I would be upset... but no it was only like 5 bucks. 😊

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