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Not really any crazy story on it Steph other than they were cheap, someone listed them for sale on ebay BIN and I grabbed them, amazed that nobody else beat me to it. There were a ton of Masters and other nice Vitros with them. I found lots of yellow brushed patch masters in the lot too and yellow brushed patches are HTF. Thanks Stephen! Some I wasn't familiar with either. Here are some other vitros from the lot and a group shot of the Masters (couple champions mixed in) just because they were all in the same lot and I think they help lend a hint as to the time frame of the Vitros. Pretty sure these marbles have been stored together since they were new. Almost all are dead mint other than as mades and virtually unplayed with.

And a couple of cosmic rainbow shooters I recently got. One is just amazing to me. both ~7/8"

Some new additions to my Vitro collection. Scored a large group of exotic conquerors. The most I've ever seen in one place!

I agree with you Ron, all it can do is make the marble round. The patents on the tank part both prove you're right, the pattern is made in the tank. One shows a small section where the ribbon gathers before it goes to the shears. This would create the feathered or flame pattern before it ever comes out of the tank. The other shows 6 channels for different glass to enter the stream before it exits the tank. So in those two patents, you'd have a 6 ribbon marble and a feathered or flamey marble, depending on which patent you are using. Whether the 6 ribbon marble is a swirl or not depends on how the ingot exits the tank, not the rollers. Making the marble round might curve or squish the ingot a little but I can't see how that would make it into a swirl, especially since it's been proven that swirls can be made while making patches and visa-versa just by changing alignment of the machine and/or the distance between the outlet and cutters.

Thank you for sharing the patents... They illustrate exactly what my brain was imagining during my times of mentally reverse-engineering the pattern of many marbles and how they must have been made. I can easily see how the peltier feathered slags got their pattern and a similar process was probably used in making some of Alley's heavy flamed marbles I would think. I have never been involved in the making of a marble but I have a very technically oriented mind and the only way I can see the rollers influencing the pattern in any way is by curling the ingot into a sphere and the possibility of it maybe making a yin-yang or something like that if the marble somehow turns the same direction for a few revolutions while the glass is still hot. The main structure of the marble is formed before the ingot is sheared. In the second patent, you can see the receptacle where the stream collects before it drops out the second orifice to be cut. This is where is would curl and curl into a gob, making the feathered pattern or flame effect. The third patent shows the method of making the 4 or 6 finger design. Excellent, thanks again. More marble knowledge is great, I can't get enough.

That last one may be Alley

Yes, Champion is what I would have thought too. I have some other cullet that makes you wonder. Some of the transparent CACs are not as distinguishable as you would think. I can't remember what pics I've posted here but here are more. Sorry so many at one, just easy to select a lot.

I have the checkbook stub on the left of the photo. It says the check was for cateyes. Some checks to MK were for cateyes too I believe, and also for marbles in sizes that Bogard couldn't produce. I also found record of business with Champion.

Some paperwork from Bogard.

I don't have many pics of Bogard marbles. I'll try to get some soon. Here are some of a pack of cat eyes and a collage shot of a Halloween Cat. I tried to get pics through the bag but the bag is cloudy and I don't want to open it.

There are lots of them that boost the color saturation and things like that, yes. Usually they overdo it and it's obvious. Cedarman7 is a good seller and a good person, you'll do well dealing with him.

Yes, any swirl can make a turkey head pattern. CAC being famous for it since it happens more frequently on theirs. JABO classics were single fold marbles, meaning the ingot was short and fat and all it could do is fold in half to make the marble as it hit the rollers. This creates a C or U shape, the famous JABO buttcrack, and makes them easier to ID. Cairo also used this type of construction but usually a little more pattern and lesser quality glass and often bubbles. St. Mary's Alleys can sometimes have a similar construction and exhibit turkey heads or Cs. Vacor also occasionally can do this. It's a useful tool int he ID bag.

Nice one!