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I think I've got this right. Thought it could be interesting to consider, whether I do or don't!

Here's the medal from the diaper fold thread. And then next are some things I observed which make it appear to be a reproduction. There might be more, such as surface texture, which I don't recognize. Or maybe I've got it wrong and the medal's original. Comments welcome. Thanks.

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I have a Marble King Tournament medal in front of me. The relief and detail in the brass casting is excellent - the details are very sharp - especially on the face and clothes of the boy. On the other hand, it is difficult and unwise to make a call from a small picture with such low resolution. Are there better pictures available? Close up of face? Other side of the medal? From my experience --- reproductions of marble tournament medals are poor castings that lack crisp detail - especially when compared to an authentic tournament medal.

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Thanks for the response. Sorry I didn't answer the questions sooner. That was the only pic I had of that medal. I saw it in mswitzer's diaper fold thread and thought it might make for an interesting discussion.

It gave me a chance to try to pick out some of the signs I saw in the ACRN article on repro medals.

That article attributed most differences in appearance between old and new to the new ones being cast in molds where the old ones were "die struck the same way coins are minted." They elaborate: "A separate engraving of each side is forced against cold metal under great pressure. The result is a virtually flawless piece with very high detail."

The molds for the new ones were made from old medals. So they have precision issues due to being copies, and then they have some problems connected with pouring hot metal rather than stamping cold. if I understand correctly.

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The subject had come up in the thread on fake sulphides. I thought perhaps some people might be interested in pursuing it in its own thread. And I thought there was a lot of info to be considered in the single view of the medal Scott showed even if no other views were available. If someone does have some comparison pix they would be willing to share that would be awesome.

I actually have some detailed pix in front of me because I am looking at the ACRN article on repro medals. I know that both Scott and Hansel had a part in getting the examples for ACRN to study. However, there are copyright issues and I promised not to post any pix from the article.

In case this thread is through and anyone else wants to pursue the subject further, you might want to check out the February 2000 issue of Antique and Collectors Reproduction News. Vol. 9 #2.

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Very cool looking.

My guess is repro of a 1933 medal.

Or something used in the process of making the repros?

I don't have any idea how involved the process is or what the black has to do with it.

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"Or something used in the process of making the repros?

I don't have any idea how involved the process is or what the black has to do with it."

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Hmmmm, snickering at where I second guessed myself, but not my main guess. Does that mean I got it right the first time?

So what is the black about?

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So, is that a natural layer of something which shows up on top of the hardened silver? Anything to do with oxidation?

That's where my guesses are heading at the moment.

thanks for playing with me, by the way.

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i would say good analogy by only using a photograph

I think I've got this right. Thought it could be interesting to consider, whether I do or don't!

Here's the medal from the diaper fold thread. And then next are some things I observed which make it appear to be a reproduction. There might be more, such as surface texture, which I don't recognize. Or maybe I've got it wrong and the medal's original. Comments welcome. Thanks.

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Hmmmm, snickering at where I second guessed myself, but not my main guess. Does that mean I got it right the first time?

So what is the black about?

silver tarnishes over time but can be sped-up with a certain checmical? so it has been aged!

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