migbar Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 John has the pattern down pretty good, but the glass looks new and lacks the multi-striations in the ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 None of the Shamrock marbles would come close to fooling someone that knows what to look for on CAC striped transparents and opaques. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocci Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 real exotics are made by JABO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hipocritter Posted August 8, 2011 Report Share Posted August 8, 2011 Duffy Said: when they first appeared they were shopped around the shows ...behind closed doors and muted speak...psst...ck these out....it was very sneaky and underhanded in my view and others....they were dealt under high security and certain parties were whisked around the halls and escorted to cetain locked rooms where the elders were summoned... i can remember guards were placed outside to divert people away from the parkin lot to eliminate the possibility of unwanted people seein seein the marbles...all very sneaky and unfriendly....somebody knew where they came from and who was intended to see em... Spara Said: I'm with Duffy, if the method of selling them had been out in the open with no back room dealings this would not even be an issue. I'm with you guys on this deal. Lots n Lotsa Hocus Pocus! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marboman Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 The marbles shown by marboman were mine. I didn't enjoy owning them because of all the stink surrounding them. I'm not sure how much cabbage I lost but I know it was at least my left nut and my right nut is still missing! But here's the good news, some king has 200 million dollars that he has left for me! All I had to do was send him $25,000.00 to help him flee his country. YEEHAWW mon! They are beautiful,I've seen them in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 . . . some king has 200 million dollars that he has left for me! All I had to do was send him $25,000.00 to help him flee his country. I know that king!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orbboy Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 Here is what I find odd about these marbles. I look at all new ebay marble auctions "almost" everyday. On average there are lets say 200 new auctions for marbles everyday. So even if I only checked 300 out of the 365 days of the year. Doing the maths I get 200 x 300= 60,000 auctions looked at over the course of a year. Take that a bit further and times that by the 10 years I have been doing this and you come up with 600,000 or so auctions looked at over that time. Why have I never seen one of these marbles mixed into some old group in all that time??? I have seen Guineas, Striped Opaques, wicked flames and wonderous Slags over that time mixed in old lots. Why would I have never seen one of these marbles in one? They sure stand out, so I doubt I missed one. What's up with that???? If these marbles were dug out of the ground, why hide that fact? I could accept if they were dug and some lucky bugger who just got a super score. From the way collectors buy dug marbles I doubt the market would have been to affected much by this news, a pretty Chrissy is a pretty Chrissy after all. What is the point of hiding the "Dug" part? if they were. I don't get it? The fact that nobody is willing to come forward to tell the real story about these is something else I find fishy. Someone has clamped their mouth shut for some reason or another. If they were real then I would expect more in the way of defending them. As it is so far all I hear is Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.................... Not the most endorsing words for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg11 Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 most of the ones you see Alan selling are being sold over and over again, just marbles changing hands. We need to get someone like Bill Tow to come over and tell us the story, he might know it since he owned many nice chrissies. I find it hard to believe they were dug or rejected from the plant. A run of such nice marbles would have been sold or saved. These all started surfacing around the time that young couple was selling tons of halves and cutlet at the columbus show. There was no exotic looking stuff in their score. Les got a few hundred stripped opaques that same summer, Clyde got to pick out some of the nicest ones. these came from one find in a jar. I also find it hard to believe someone created these in a garage and did a one time sell. They got good money for them, why not dip back into the cookie jar and make more. We all know that would have happened, so maybe these were really discovered someplace and are genuine old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Racer Posted August 9, 2011 Report Share Posted August 9, 2011 It is better to think of them as genuinely old. If any of you including myself had discovered these, what exactly would we have done in the same situation? I might have confided in a small group first before exposing them to everyone. No differently than any good collection that I come across. It boils down to 'It's who you know...' and it is sad for the ones who got left out. Even ebay lets you choose your selling partners. It's a good thing. If Galen can't tell the difference at 45X, or whatever, then certainly they are real. THEY ARE REAL! Get over it. Get on with it. Someone sell me one cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bumblebee Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 If they are authentic, then why the secrecy and hush-hush? In a hobby where every scrap of history and provenance is precious and eagerly devoured by hard core collectors, why do the origins of these remain a mystery after so many years? Clearly whoever found them has refused to reveal where/how/when despite the criticism from marble collectors and historians, and surely there must be more than one individual involved and colluding. They clearly have something important to hide. These are the only reasons I can fathom the secrecy if they are indeed legit: 1) Someone obtained them illegally (dug up) and doesn't want to get in trouble. 2) So many were found (dug or from an ex-employee) that they aren't willing to reveal the full scope of the find in order to protect their market value. (This seems like a contradiction, though, since hiding their origin is in fact harming their market value to a degree.) 3) The finder is trying to protect their privacy and security. This seems like a good reason, but in that case orchestrating a simple anonymous press release with a photo or two of the find would not threaten anyone's privacy or security and would greatly benefit the community. Surely whoever decided not to reveal their origin made a blunder, whether the marbles be legit or not. Those are all the reasons I can think of obscuring their origins if they are in fact legitimate. Does anyone have other reasons? If they are not authentic, then the mystery and secrecy makes perfect sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I'm asking Rick Hall to post any 1st hand knowledge. I talk with you on a few occasions, when they first appeared, about acquiring some. You mentioned having to meet the owners in a restaurant and picking over cases that they had brought. You also told me that it was so hush hush because of tax purposes and security. I ended up buying mine from someone that got them from you. So, you were at or very close to "ground zero"....what happened? Thank you in advance, mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 What would you like to know that I haven't already said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I would like to know everything about them, please.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I've been absent for awhile so, I don't know what you have said. How did you meet these owners? Who are they? What did they tell you? What did they ask you "not to do"? Who else was buying at this level....meaning who met them? Did you get a license number....I hope, I hope! You know, all the stuff that would shed light on this subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I've looked at the marbles very close to make my own judgement before I started selling them. every thing fit like a glove and it toke me a year to get in the loop you know how that goes the sellers were smart on how they went about it . ITS just how I would of done it if I was in their shoes. I don't think I need to give any more info then that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 If I told all that what would everyone have to talk about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 I've looked at the marbles very close to make my own judgement before I started selling them. every thing fit like a glove and it toke me a year to get in the loop you know how that goes the sellers were smart on how they went about it . ITS just how I would of done it if I was in their shoes. I don't think I need to give any more info then that Is this ALL of what you have stated in the past? If I told all that what would everyone have to talk about Possibly, good things! Very sad.....mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 If you want to know call 1 419 577 8818 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 No ring...went right into your full mailbox. mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 You can call me 1 440 965-2121 but I leave for ballet practice at 2pm est. mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Ok should be good try again please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JOKER Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Come on people you want the skinny call Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Talked with Rick......give him a call........my tutu is on so tight I can hardly type....got to go....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 10, 2011 Report Share Posted August 10, 2011 Trying to picture you in a tight tutu . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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