winnie Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Just a follow-up on the book comment. I don't think people that write very specific type of marble books make any money off them. I think they are lucky to break even. I would just like to see all the info categorized in one place and with good pics. Steph has done a great job with the "Study Hall", etc. getting information pieced together on various marbles and topics. I think also that it may be said,good work Steph! winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted August 16, 2011 Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 Stephanie's doing a terrific amount of work on a monumental task. I'd like to give her a big poke ! I hope she can find some answers to the question of the exotics with her skills. thank you, Stephanie...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted August 16, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2011 *blush* Thanks guys! I get a lot of help. But would always welcome more input. I guess I should call Rick to learn about the exotics. But I'm intimidated by the subject and am glad to be an observer for now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I made 4 thumbnails but apparently others are having trouble posting images. I'll try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 OK, I spent hours today photographing, editing and trying to post 4 thumbnails. Finished one post and then it vanished. I have no idea where it went. I hate the changes made, including the loss of avatars. Sorry guys, no Thelma marble photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
migbar Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sometimes when that happens to me I send the pictures to Stephanie, and she makes it all better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted August 17, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Sorry Andrea. I'm seeing different things for your code depending on where I view/review/preview it. It looks like you have some extra symbols in there. Does this resemble what you typed in? [img]<img src=http://home.comcast.net/~marblemaven/Thelma1.jpg>[/img] Here's how I type the brackets and img code to make them work: [img=http://home.comcast.net/~marblemaven/Thelma1.jpg] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydetul62 Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I was asked by Jeff Hale to post this: It was Danny Turner who first sold marbles called "exotic" these were very unusual striated guineas. he'd a few striped opaques that were fantastic as well.. actually for some of the old timers, who followed danny turners auctions,, Danny had sold some of the most incredible CAC's,, long before the He came up with the "Exotic" name. those examples had the features that are now refered to as 'exotics' .. When Danny's sales sored, , bingo, the name stuck for every strange or unusual Christensen agate out there.. then The first public appearance of them was led by Les Jones, at the Amana show, 1999. Less did not refer to them as 'exotics' in this first opertuinty.. the lesser quality examples went then Jones continued for about 6 months. untill as it seems he'd run his stock down in 2000.. I was in Amana at that time.. which were a big hit. then the better examples appeared at the columnbus show, then e-bay, Thelma's auctions,, then Art's as apparently Thelma's first went cheap but quickls rose, I personaly NAILED a few of the first auctions from thelma. , around 2002, finnaly another hit throughout all collector club meets, and that was the end of the whole supply.. that's to say,, supply from wholesale to retail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Just a follow-up on the book comment. I don't think people that write very specific type of marble books make any money off them. I think they are lucky to break even. I would just like to see all the info categorized in one place and with good pics. Steph has done a great job with the "Study Hall", etc. getting information pieced together on various marbles and topics. I said "payday" not money. And I too would like to see a book or a book/pamphlet but would also like to know the real story now. People are buying them now and if they are fake, and the music stops, they might not have a seat. In the pic of Ken's marbles I see only 4 subs, 4 striped opaques and one flame that I bet did not come from the exotic find. I would love to see the first so called exotics that sold before 2002...how about the rest of you? Do they contain the"better examples" colors or previously known colors? VT and Clyde, maybe try sending pics to Steph. Thanks VT for the time invested already! When did Danny T. start selling them? Was it before the water line dig? How do we know the lesser quality, non named exotics were exotics? Did they come from Thelma and/or the Art's? Were they marble people (for the hundredth time) and if so, would they not of had CAC's before the water line dig? Again, if so, not every marble that they sold had to be an exotic. mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catfish Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 This is likely the best thread about exotics I have ever seen. It has managed to stay relatively civil as well. I handled a few at a show, along with the red/yellow guineas........I didn't feel comfortable enough to spend any money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 This is likely the best thread about exotics I have ever seen. Agree. More, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 I was asked by Jeff Hale to post this: It was Danny Turner who first sold marbles called "exotic" these were very unusual striated guineas. he'd a few striped opaques that were fantastic as well.. actually for some of the old timers, who followed danny turners auctions,, Danny had sold some of the most incredible CAC's,, long before the He came up with the "Exotic" name. those examples had the features that are now refered to as 'exotics' .. When Danny's sales sored, , bingo, the name stuck for every strange or unusual Christensen agate out there.. then The first public appearance of them was led by Les Jones, at the Amana show, 1999. Less did not refer to them as 'exotics' in this first opertuinty.. the lesser quality examples went then Jones continued for about 6 months. untill as it seems he'd run his stock down in 2000.. I was in Amana at that time.. which were a big hit. then the better examples appeared at the columnbus show, then e-bay, Thelma's auctions,, then Art's as apparently Thelma's first went cheap but quickls rose, I personaly NAILED a few of the first auctions from thelma. , around 2002, finnaly another hit throughout all collector club meets, and that was the end of the whole supply.. that's to say,, supply from wholesale to retail. I don't think Danny Turner ever sold any of the "newer" CAcs. He told me he was sent a large group from a collector in California to sell on consignment, but could not convince himself they were genuine CAC. The exotic CAC marbles Danny sold were different. Those were similar to, and/or pictured in Grist's Big Book of Marbles, 1st Ed, 1993, Pg 58 Same picture in the 2nd Ed., 2000, pg 72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Were they running rabbit sales. I have watched the videos in that time period and the CACs sold do not appear to be what are now considered Exotics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 Not trying to be vague but I think July or August of 2002 is when I wrote my first check to the Arts. No one has mentioned the 1st seller in Ohio which Was a very nice lady by the name of Thelma My last check to her was in March of 2002. Her selling was even shorter lived than the Arts was. BTW, all of the above sellers treated me quite fairly. Nothing clandestine at all except I think they liked dealing with just a few buyers with good credit. Yes, their prices increased as their supply decresed. Nothing new there. If they decide to part with any more beauties, I hope I am the 1st one they contact. I spent quite a bit of money with them and wish I had spent more. I consider the Art brothers to be quite knowledgeably good guys. Ken and anyone with 1st hand knowledge, may I ask, did you ask Thelma and/or the Art bro's about there origin? If so, can you tell? Is it the same as Rick's? I think it's becoming clearer that the first (1999-2001) marbles are not what we call the "exotics" today. According to the garage employee, one project was done in 1995 and the other was in 1998 but she couldn't remember which one was first. So, if we go with the story Rick was told, these exotics, at best, stayed out of sight for 4 years...........why, when you needed to bring in your bro for capital? What did they live on for 4 years? greg11 stated: These all started surfacing around the time that young couple was selling tons of halves and cutlet at the columbus show. There was no exotic looking stuff in their score. Les got a few hundred stripped opaques that same summer, Clyde got to pick out some of the nicest ones. these came from one find in a jar. I don't think the early sighting of non named exotics are even connected to the Thelma/Art's exotics.....no income for the Art's here. mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 mon..... the young couple was ryan bachman and his girlfriend...i grew up with his dad and we was diggin partners for awhile...i think they got greedy and went to cambridge to dig there but i didnt go because work had begun in the spring.......i went diggin there a couple times with robbie from pa. they had got into trouble selling remakes as genuine and ryan had a torch outfit in his barn...were all the exotics 3/4??? i think thats all he could make...but anyway they got into trouble had to sell lots of othere properties to recoup the loss over this scam...does anyone remember the guinea scams from pine grove wv and a town up around weirton...i think these were all connected... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 17, 2011 Report Share Posted August 17, 2011 mon..... the young couple was ryan bachman and his girlfriend...i grew up with his dad and we was diggin partners for awhile...i think they got greedy and went to cambridge to dig there but i didnt go because work had begun in the spring.......i went diggin there a couple times with robbie from pa. they had got into trouble selling remakes as genuine and ryan had a torch outfit in his barn...were all the exotics 3/4??? i think thats all he could make...but anyway they got into trouble had to sell lots of othere properties to recoup the loss over this scam...does anyone remember the guinea scams from pine grove wv and a town up around weirton...i think these were all connected... Duffy, No, Mine ranged from a rare .560" (not shown in pic) to just shy of 3/4". I do remember the fake guinea era...a red one sold large! I would have suggested castration for Ryan! thanks duff, mon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydetul62 Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 The misconception on my post about Danny Turner wasnt that he may have/have not sold those kind of marbles but that he was first to use the phrase "exotic" in cac's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 OK, I managed to get my 4 thumbnails into the gallery. Let's see if I can drag them here. I have no idea if this worked. Can't we preview posts anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTAndrea Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 And is there any way to enlarge an image? These are super dinky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted August 18, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 Yay, it worked. If you're using the reply window at the bottom of the page then choose "More Reply Options". Hopefully that will give you a "Preview Post" option. What size image did you attempt to upload? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clydetul62 Posted August 18, 2011 Report Share Posted August 18, 2011 I remeber Ryan at that show. He had assorted cullet in "snack size" bags" When I was looking through them he said not to worry and just pick. I cherry picked about a quart size bag. I did this as I was still only a newbie and didnt have many ways for color match. I tried to get as many of the smaller pieces. He charged by the bag. I wanted more bang for my buck. There were a few different kinds of colors that I wish could find the actual mibs. None of the cullet was of the exotic variety. I have a lot of pics from that time on 3x5 floppys. Unfortunately windows 7 doesnt recognize my reader. Need to find a driver.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roany poany Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 anybody remember the "Kellex" guineas Allan B dealt with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Racer Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 I have to take back what I said before. Starting to sound like they are not real. What about the couple named J... and A... with Mexico license plates on their car? I heard they were the first to deal out the original collection. A friend of mine personally saw and handled them and said they were not real CAC's. Now I can see why Galen and several others might be upset about these. I don't have a license number but I do have the names. Don't spill your popcorn anyone... I just can't believe Galen can't tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duffy Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 buddy..... i think that was the name connected to pine grove wv and the other wv town in the same region....there was found to be some connection in the people ...they were all strudents of west liberty university of wv.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon Posted August 20, 2011 Report Share Posted August 20, 2011 anybody remember the "Kellex" guineas Allan B dealt with? Good memory.......he was all the talk back then! Who got stuck with that large red based guinea? VT, I've been looking at your marble over and over......it's an odd looker with ....like a two seam snotty cyclone/glob striped transparent w/burnt looking edges, in a pretty way. Was this typical of the early Thelma/Art's mibs sold? Would like to see more examples! I wish the experts would comment on it cause as you can tell, I'm not one! mon Speed racer, please tell more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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