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I have 2 handmades. The one on the right I think is a Joseph's coat but it's different with equal banding. The one on the left I have not seen this type. It is a clear base with equal ribbons on the the surface. What type would it be? Any response is appreciated. Thanks Clyde

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Thank you. I thought the same at first for the right one as English style, except that the panels are not the same as in an onionskin. That is why I thought it might be a Joseph's. You analysis could be right for the left one. Thanks Clyde

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WOW, I bet that's a Block book, right?? LOL

I don't see a damn thing that looks anything at all like End-of-Day in either of those.... But, who am I to question God?? (meaning the author) ROFL

Clyde, I'd agree with you on the right one being a Joseph's Coat... It just barely makes it, and the sectioning isn't the norm. But, I think it still falls there...

The left one has those English colors (which we now think aren't really English, either) and I guess it would fall into onionskin, for lack of a better name....

But, end-of-day??? How in hell did they twist that definition to go there??

Both are great Clyde!!! Good to see you around, Bud!! ;)

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Clyde those have great patterns and bright colors.

With the nice symetry (even pattern) could they

possibly be beachballs? I haven't seen enough to

be sure, but they may fit the description.

Hope this helps, Terry

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Clyde, I Agree with Griff kind of, the first one's a beechball Joseph, very nice! The second is a 6 or 3 pannel onionskin, either way it's a rare find! I've got three beechball josephs, but no 3 oe 6 pannel onions! Want to sell?

Scott

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I FORGOT,SOME DO REFER TO THE ONE ON THE LEFT AS A 'beach ball" pattern.I USUALY RESERVE "BEACH BALL",FOR AN UNUSUAL,TYPE OF PEPPERMINT SWIRL.I GUESS I SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT SHOT OF AMORETTA WITH THAT PITCHER OF MOLSON!!!!!HA HA HA HA HA ,,,,BURP!!!!----GRIFF

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Here's a couple of pics. I think I posted the first one before - it is a panelled Joseph Coat on top, a Beachball Joseph Coat in the middle and a Peppermint on the bottom. The usually accepted distinction between Joseph and Onionskin is that Onionskins have a base color, upon which other, usually transparent colors are overlaid. But a Joseph is a single layer of colors. When the colors in the single layer are thin threads, then it is a normal Joseph Coat, and when the threads are grouped to make panels, it is a Panelled Joseph Coat. When the threads are actually very thick bands, then it is a Beachball Joseph Coat. A Peppermint is in some ways more similar to an Onionskin in that it has a white base, with overlaid red and blue. Sometimes peppermints have open spaces in the base white over which the blue is placed, giving it a darker shade - but sometimes the white base is complete (Onionskins also sometimes have open panels in their base, and sometimes the base is composed of different colored panels). It looks like the one on the left in your pics is a Beachball Joseph Coat, and I should add, that they are quite difficult to find. The one on the right may be a Joseph Coat, or it may be an Onionskin. Sometimes the base color for Onionskins is composed of sparse thin white thread, with other colors overlaid. But then sometimes Joseph Coats include thin white threads as a part of the single-layer design. So it can be difficult to distinguish which category it belongs to. Joseph Coats also have complete threads that run pole to pole, whereas Onionskins usually have some partially complete threads. This can create further confusion, as with the marble in my second pic, which has a solid white base, and so it is technically an Onionskin, but the transparent colors on top of the white base are complete pole-to-pole threads, giving it the look of a Joseph Coat. ... Roger

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Right on ROGER !!!!!!!!!!! Send that one to the ARCHIVES PLEASE !!!!

That was one of the best " break down " on marble I.D. I've read in

along time. :D

I gotta did out my Handmades now .............thanx Roger !!!! :)

RAR.......................... B)

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OK, I'll mark it for archives.... But Roger, again, if you could add those in thumbnail, they'll stay with the thread... If you have a problem doing that, let me know.

Thanks!!

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Thank you. I learned a lot more about handmades than I had previously known. They are most unusual so I think they will be keepers for a long time. Again thank you. Clyde

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Jeff, I see what you mean. The one on the left may have a white base underneath the broad color bands. I have a couple like that - including the beachball that I showed above, and my best guess is that they do have white underneath the color bands. Perhaps that is normal for what we call Joseph Beachballs, and maybe they are not Joseph Coats at all! If so, I guess the best solution would be to just call them "Beachballs" and drop the Joseph part. Then the term could apply whether they had the base or not. Here's another one. It has really bright yellow - I've taken 2 pics, one in regular lighting, one in lower light (actually with a different camera). ... Roger

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