RolleyHoleMan

I should have read it a little better, I didn’t realize it was compacted. When I teach it indoors I have a massive room that lets me do the full size yard. What we use indoors for the holes are quarters, which is pain but what the marble players use. As for the camping spots, Standing Stones campgrounds will be closed for renovations unfortunately. There’s a camper campground outside the park that isn’t all that bad, ans about an hour away is Rock Island State park which has wonderful campgrounds (I used to work there and maintain them, so I can say with certainty they’re some of the best). I plan on being at the next Rolley Hole to spread marbles a bit.

Also here is a link to a newly posted Rolley hole video I digitized. It has a snippet of “Rolley Hole Man”. So far this is the only recording of it I know of. It’s one of those songs that’s stuck in my head a good bit. Maybe it’s the obsession with marbles, but it’s one good tune. As a fun side note, I’ve got marbles going at Cumberland Mountain State Park. So far signups and general interest are promising.

The loops are a pretty cool idea. I’m going to try that method when teaching folks to play on carpet. The 4” is decent for giving folks an idea, but I’d go with a lot smaller since the original holes are the size of a marble. That’s just my personal preference though.

Figured I’d add something here Rolley Hole related. I may need to start a thread when I scan in some of these documents, and believe me there’s a lot. Rolley Hole is an important piece of folklife and has endless lore, but I finally found something after years of searching. When the American team went to face the British at the Tinsley Green marbles tournament, Bobby Fulcher wrote a song to the tune of Johnny Hortons “battle of New Orleans”. The song itself is lost, with only a snippet remaining in an old news broadcast (which I will digitize when I get the parts for my equipment). In the files here, I found a couple lyric sheets. We don’t know which was used, but with a willing musician it can be remade. For many years this song dominated the local airwaves until it slowly faded away. Many old timers have asked to hear this song again.

As time has gone on I’m still making marbles, though time is limited and I’m always rushing around. I’ve been busy promoting Rolley Hole across the state and have a list of folks wanting marbles. They know my schedule and know it’ll take a while. Hopefully they’re done by September. It’s been maybe a month since I’ve worked on any marbles.

That’s a pretty good write up. Where did you find your info? I’m really impressed with it. As part of my job now I have access to the largest collection of Rolley Hole info ever collected, so someday I’ll start posting some really good stuff again. Right now folks are always coming by work to ask about Rolley Hole. The popularity has significantly risen in the last couple years, however the father of the tournament at Standing Stone said that’s how it is. Rolley Hole popularity is like the tide, it comes in and goes out again, but it’s never gone. It has something special tied up into it that makes it endure when other crafts have gone. Every year there’s more marble makers, younger folks playing, and more people looking to see what it’s all about. “Predicting the future of Rolley Hole is like predicting the weather, and only a fool would do either one” - Bobby Fulcher Keep on doing what you’re doing. Now is a good time for it.

I have been at my new park since May 8th or so (kinda forgot). Compared to my last park, this place is a resort with many on site amenities like 3 restaurants, tons of boat ramps (13k acre lake), Nature Center, etc. Out here I have converted the abandoned pool area to the "Tims Ford Marbles Superdome" since the pool is no longer there. So far no one has attended any marbles programs including Cherokee Marbles. Compared to Standing Stone, it's been extremely busy. This park is better setup for interpretation (by having a Nature Center), and has a more attractive selection of activities and campgrounds that really bring the people in. Out here I have a higher-position and much more responsibility between making programs, coordinating staff, doing projects, and running camps. It's been busy, and I still do some mild spreading of Rolley Hole. I have been loaning out the "noodling for catfish" book for the Rolley Hole chapter. Out here my main strategy is to have a selection of colorful and interesting marbles to really get the attention. Out here, the bag of white marbles just doesn't do it.

Well folks, I made it to my new park. Phone service is awful so I can’t get the photo of my last marble to post. It’s showing up but giving an error so maybe it’ll work maybe it won’t. It’s a Tennessee Square marble made from material a former manager of the park had. If he wants another marble this one is reserved for him. He told me he didn’t play marbles but he held marbles like he did, and sized them by holding them in the shooting position. Lots of folks say they don’t play but they’re tricky. I had a guy tell me that and he was making 10ft shots. The game has gotten more hardcore and intense. The old folks say the younger crowd make much farther distance and powerful shots than they did. The size of the marble has supposedly gotten smaller too, though I’ve measured marbles and don’t know about this. I’ll try to make a new thread sometime for marbels updates. In a couple weeks I’ll try to get my replacement addicted to marbles. It’s tricky business. I tell people it’s a lot like meth. You see people doing it and how their lives are affected and you say “not for me”. Then you get into it and you’re hooked like the rest. Bad example since they say if you’re into marbles hardcore you won’t be doing drugs.

I know exactly where it is (or was). My boss had a sealed copy of it on cassette on his desk. I just didn’t have a way to play it and he didn’t want it tore up. Some day I’ll show up with all the stuff to do it and beg. It’s tough business. You can scan a photo or negative with no risk. Playing a tape can destroy it. we always joked about learning how to play instruments and remaking songs, along with a version of “the devil went down to Georgia” but instead of a fiddle match it would be a Rolley Hole game with the prize being a solid gold marble. We never got far with it, but the joke was at the end the player would refuse the marble and say it’s no good for Rolley Hole.

Here’s some fun. I finally got though the book I was reading about all sorts of odds and ends. It covers things like catfish noodling, cock fighting, moonshine, hunting with dogs, southern cooking, and in the very last chapter it covers Rolley Hole. It had some great info though the writing style does make it seem some things are a bit exaggerated. Knowing the people in the book, it’s interesting and the author does a great job of describing some of these guys. Here’s some photos though the only way to have at it properly is to order the book. It’s got some age on it and many of the folks in the book are no longer alive and there’s been some change up in odds and ends. it also has the lyrics for a song I’ve heard of about Rolley Hole but can’t find a recording. I believe it is “Rolley Hole Man” sang by the bandy creek boys.

Not gotten around to more marbles with only a week left to do so. Not sure if I will as I haven’t been motivated. I did work on the marble making setup and installed some pieces of felt on the arbor to hopefully limit the chatter the setup makes. I also have looked over my mobile setup and am debating on bringing it. With the limited material and a new park I probably won’t do any more marble stuff until September. I’ll still try to update the thread or start another thread for this up coming 2024 Rolley Hole. Since I’m no longer at standing stone I won’t be getting much for updates. im still open to any Rolley Hole inquiries anyone may have. When working at other places and parks I’ve always kept up with Rolley Hole and working on marble related matters. In the next couple weeks I will be teaching some hostages (or students depending on how you look at it) in the ways of Rolley Hole. We will be going to a park with little opportunities to run away to civilization. I have marbles, documents, scoresheets, dirt, and stories all ready to go. There’s also newcomers who only know that at their state inservice there’s a man who will have marbles. Some are excited and some are afraid (as they should be). Since my time in parks this has been the first time anyone can remember that Rolley Hole has gotten much attention let alone obsession. As a job update, I haven’t heard back from either. At one when I gave my name, the park manager laughed and said she heard my name many times at inservices in regards to marbles. Either way I always have at least 20 of the finest Tennessee marbles in my pockets when I interview. Just in case. Fine marbles hand picked for the occasion.

No new marbles today but excellent Rolley Hole news! I got a call earlier from my sister asking for some Rolley Hole information such as rules, documents, info,etc. She has been spreading the word of Rolley Hole. She has people wishing to attend Rolley Hole who want to really study it beforehand to better understand what’s going on. It’s a pretty good idea too. Most guests who aren’t local (and even many locals) have no idea what’s really going on. They may hang around the marble yard for a moment, but without enough interp people it can be hard to really help people understand the game. When the tournament is going on I’m able to give play by play action (better when I personally know the players). For example you can say Chris is wanting to make X shot, and when he makes the shot you say why he did it, and what it leads to. If the shot is missed, you can then go over the consequences as they happen. Believe me, it can be tense. Anyways it shows the game is growing and getting more interest. What all I do online is very limited without going to Rolley Hole. Best way to get in on it is to come on down/over/up to Rolley Hole and see what it’s all about!

Here’s the marble for today. It does have a crystal pit which causes a low spot in the marble though the rest is in pretty tight tolerance. This is a really interesting marble. It has yellow and white in it along with some neat structures and a deposit that looks like a bunch of small spheres. Sometime when I remember, I need to look more into ways to quiet this setup. The pully and shaft moves side to side causing a lot of chatter when the pulley smacks either side of the opening. Anyways, I was gifted a book called “noodling for flatheads” which is similar to an online book I found (and lost). The online book I’ve lost track of went over southern social games and activities popular with men and placed Rolley Hole between cockfighting and general store meetups. The book “noodling for flatheads” is similar in subject but it’s a series of essays covering niche activities that aren’t really well known to the general United States, or at least not in depth. I figured it would be best to go through the whole book, but Rolley Hole is one of the last chapters. So far it’s pretty well written while also being written in a fair way. I once read a paper published up north that was more along the lines of “we want to talk about these hicks, their marbles, and make them look dumb while doing it”. This book doesn’t seem to do that. A couple people have told me about the book and said it focused a bit on a particular player, but I’d have to read it for myself. The book was written (or I guess published) in 2001, with the main focus (according to the screenshot I’ll include) was the 1992 trip to England. A friend of mine said the description seemed “absolutely deranged” if you never heard of Rolley Hole. Keep in mind that 99% of the things online start with comparing it to pool or golf, then give the same general descriptions that can bore an interested person to tears. There’s not a lot of “original” takes on Rolley Hole to be found so I’m excited to see what it holds. Most articles repeat older articles and so on and so forth. New articles are the same and have no personal touch, and often seem written at a distance and by someone who’s entire Rolley Hole experience comes from a screen. That’s my long post for the night. With two job interviews coming up I might as well get it out of my system. Getting feedback from past interviews I’ve been told to stop talking about Rolley Hole in job interviews. Unfortunately I sure don’t have much else to talk about. It’s their choice to chose the marble man of standing stone for interviewing.

Finished another black/blue marble. Sure is a pretty one and it polished up very nice.

Using the Rolley Hole museum setup as reference, I took out a Dremel tool and cut some notches into my rubber wheel. Surprisingly it really did help and it seems it not only cuts faster, but allows the marble to be grabbed and spin more in every direction. I finished a pretty cool “pink” marble from material found in the Tennessee River. I installed new bushings in my grinder again and got it to chatter quite a bit less. Lowe’s advertised the bushings as oil impregnated but I don’t know, they didn’t seem to be greasy like they should have. I still drilled a hole in both of them to allow the oil wells on the grinder to work. With making marbles you’re fighting the grit from the cups and the stone grit from the marbles, so things wear out faster. One of the reasons we use belt drive gear is we put a ton of hours on equipment and it’s easier to repair grinders and replace motors instead of killing these new bench grinders that are $100 or more.

https://www.facebook.com/p/Rolley-Hole-Marble-Museum-61552774450255/ This is a link to their Facebook page where they post updates and general stuff going on there. They also cross post stuff from the other marbles groups in the area. It’s the best way to keep with the marble news. Right now everything is in the beginning stages. They have funding on the way from different grants and the Tennessee Arts Commission. Rolley Hole also received an award from the governor recently so it’s getting more recognition overall. This is the first time an event and not a person got an award. Many marble players were at the governors mansion for the award ceremony.

Here are some photos from the Rolley Hole museum in Celina. I was up there at a little restaurant and figured we might as well drive the courthouse. All the doors were wide open with no one around, and the door to the Rolley Hole section was open. Probably wasn’t supposed to be in there but oh well. This is the courthouse in the square of Celina, Tennessee where the marble museum is held. They did just get a bunch of funding and man, the building needs it. It’s a standard old town worn courthouse that has that feel of history. Heres a big photo of Bud over a table of marble making supplies. The case features many marbles of many materials, and there’s a ton of rock scraps and a small nodule for display. This is the rubber wheel on the grinder. Note the grooves cut into it to “bounce” and grip the marble. This is something I need to do to my wheel. One thing to note is this is a very large wheel, which appears to be to a longboard skateboard. Here is a trophy and some marbles from the late Russell Collins who recently passed away. No one was there to tell us what was what, but the small glass marble appears to be a marble for British marble, probably from when the team went over there and smashed the British. Heres a rough platinum record from the Kentucky Headhunters song “Dumus Walkers” A display of marbles. I would guess that due to the speckled marble that these are from Mr.Carr. He gives marbles away and also gives them to the kids marble club so they can sell them in order to fund their trip to New Jersey. Some of the marbles for sale. These are marbles used by champions in winning games of Rolley Hole. It was really cool to see the marbles played with by people I know, and some before my time. Sure wish it was possible to measure them. This is a book I was given today by Bobby Fulchers son. This is a marble made by Dumus Walker shown to me by one of the staff at the park. He’s pointing at a location where there was a sand pit he had someone remove, and then the marble was spun down. Not something I would have done. The marble now measures .74. I was able to show my marbles to some of the makers and players today and everyone is very very happy with how they look. More than anything they really liked the rough finish and talked about slick marbles causing many failed shots. Mr.Carr likes to give polished and that’s what’s for sale in the park gift shop. These are mostly for the tourists. One main takeaway from the marbles on display is they look like I made them, so it seems I’m doing alright. The material from this area is very distinct and it’s easy to tell when material comes from elsewhere. We also talked in great length about the struggle of demonstrating marble making to the general public. Interest is very low and the noise causes all marble demonstrations to quickly be shut down, moved, or both. My parents chimed in with how annoying and loud my machine is so tomorrow I’m off to Lowe’s to pick up some oil impregnated bronze bushings for the grinder. Standard bushings haven’t lasted me all that long.

The Tennessee agate marble has sold. There’s something about that colorful material haha. Tomorrow I plan to go to Standing Stone and hit the marble yard. I grabbed maybe 20ish marbles. Most of the marbles are from a big piece that I was told was no good, so me being me I kept on with it and made a big ole bunch of clear marbles. Most are kept gritty for some good control and hard shots. Going to a marble yard is a great way to get a piece of humble pie. Most likely I will be best to a pulp and made fun of, but it’s always in good fun. Here’s a photo of many of the clear marbles. If anyone wants to play they’ll probably have to be marked with a marker to really keep up with them.

Finished the “Tennessee agate” marble and well, sure looks like a few marbles I made a while back. Those were fine marbles, but I’d have to admit this one is chert like I was told. For whatever reason it’s a very difficult marble to polish. It has a tiny bit of haze so it’ll get some more spinning but it’ll probably need an alternative method.

Been a little busy so my marble time has been limited. I’m getting back into it between job interviews and projects. Lately I’ve been busy digitizing old photo negatives and photos which was what I did at standing stone. Long story short, I found the same model high end photo and negative scanner at a thrift shop for $6.99 vs the $300 it usually costs, so I’ve been playing with that. I moved the scanner to my workplace yesterday to have something to do there, and to have only one hobby (marbles) going at home. The downside to having the power to digitize negatives is there’s never enough negatives. It’s time consuming but I guess like Rolley Hole you can never have enough. Anyways here’s some marbles. I got them much more shaped up and rounded. A couple have some real troubling flat spots which are unfortunate. A marble will only be as big as the lowest point, and a good .80 marble can quickly become a .75 trying to make it right.

Spun some of the marbles today and worked on some that have been in progress for a good while. What my method is now is on Friday and Saturday I’ll make a bunch of spheres, then before work Monday-Thursday I’ll work on one particular marble. That does cause some like the large creamy marble to be set aside. I did some rock hunting today in one of those delightful Tennessee streams that has a bunch of signs saying the fish will give you Cancer. The area I’m in was home to the Manhattan project and well, let’s just say there’s a lot of what the locals call “nasties” buried out here. I also checked in some local fancy neighborhoods under development. Since I drive an old car and typically have a rough appearance people do keep an eye on me, especially in these fancy neighborhoods filled with people who moved here from other states. Nothing soothes a concerned Floridian like a man in all green, thick Appalachian dialect (if anyone is into accents there’s some good videos on all that, and they make some of my weird ramblings make some sense). Anyways going to all these places I decided to call it quits on the local rocks. Hours of searching and studying maps really shows the area just isn’t a bit of good. Lastly I hit an estate sale that was supposed to have some marbles according to the photos. Seems someone bought them all so there may be some marble fans hiding out around these parts. Glass marbles are something the locals do buy up regardless of what they are. Same goes for pocket watches for example. I’ve watched many of men grab watches at sales that I’ve diagnosed and they don’t care. Watch is a watch and marble is a marble to these folks.

Here’s the marbles from this morning. The pinkish one is going to be a challenge since it has a fault or some weird line running through it, and the marble chips along that line. The yellow marble is one I made from a cube I had trimmed up using my saw. When you can manage to cut a cube right, the time it takes to make a rough sphere can be less than 20 minutes.

All comes down to your requirements for a marble. If you’re looking for anything in particular I’ll see what I can do. For the time being it comes down to material and what I can find and what turns out suitable. The locals give me a hard time for not saying where particular material came from, but it all boils down to me really not knowing.

https://vintagetsp.etsy.com Here is the link to my shop on Etsy. I must admit I’m not the biggest fan of Etsy since it’s a bit new for me, though I have gotten more sales and views than eBay. Originally I was listing on eBay and Etsy at the same time, and would always have more spam and such on eBay. I would say the annoying thing with eBay is the offer system. I often receive really low offers on there. I can also send offers to watchers and those usually go unanswered even at a large discount. There’s been times where I’ve wondered if someone would buy a marble at half price, which they don’t. I have various items that have been listed for years at this point with watchers, often the items are incredibly rare. Locally I’m known to be like the “American pickers” in the eyes of the old folks. But I just like junk and old stuff. Anyways on Etsy vs eBay there’s one difference that gives Etsy an edge. People on there ask good and genuine questions that show a great interest in Rolley Hole, marble making, and the general area. On eBay there just hasn’t been those types of interactions and the interactions I’ve had are odd. People request marbles to order which is fine, but none of them will understand that material (like the butterscotch) is hard to find and when they can’t have one of those marbles, they lose interest.

I listed a bunch of marbles on Etsy to see what would happen. Pricing is something I’d say I’m a bit high on, though it’s been very very hard to judge. The colored marbles (orange and brown especially) have sold well in the past. Someone bought one and told me about how their family was from that area and played marbles (the buyer moved a good ways away). The marble they got was their one piece of Overton County and was quite special to them. Anyways the white marbles which are the traditional ones get very little attention. I guess it comes down to aesthetics. People ordering or even just looking like the more unique marbles. Also, here’s the piece of “Tennessee agate” or more likely chert that I clear coated today. Some friends of mine are obsessed with it. Now it’s been rejected by rock forums as “agate” however there’s some interesting things going on in it. Around the geode pits there is banding which is why the original thought was “agate”. What likely happened it the nodule formed and the holes were later filled in a little at a time with hot mineral-rich water which formed these layers and crystals. Who knows, I’m not a geologist.