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On 5/12/2024 at 10:48 AM, boris64 said:

I think it’s purple… like this one

I think there is a great resemblance. Possibly an exact match. It looks as though your swirl goes deeper. Which could explain the difference in color. Notice how where the swirl comes to the surface towards the top of your marble pictured. See how it gets whiter and whiter? Because the swirl is white in a pinkish purplish clear base. Seller you go the darker the color gets going from pink to purple I guess. 🤷‍♂️. What size is it? Single or double pontil?

On 2/8/2024 at 3:05 AM, Chad G. said:

Pictures I submitted are all of Peltier Cannonballs' the links I provided even say cannonball, no Orion's belt. Bill (mibcapper R.I.P.) had two of them i.e.(cannonballs) they are oversaturated av. Zebras. A white base with oversized black ribbons saturated w/ aventurine, you can see in the pix where the black ribbons overlap the white base, more of doesn't mean that's the base color. Can be confusing @ times I know. That's why there are so few examples of them that pix are VHTF.  The pix posted were all taken from Cannonball I.D. posts on AAM.

 

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Orion's Belts ::

LINK ::  https://www.allaboutmarbles.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=12659

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There are 2 different types of Orion's Belts

LINK: https://www.allaboutmarbles.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=34360&p=261257&hilit=orions+belt#p261257

 

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Post by westcoast_dave » Thu Feb 02, 2017 5:31 am

The way Clyde (R.I.P) relayed the info to me back in 2011 was: California collector Bruce Lockheart (R.I.P)named the Orions Belt specifically because the blending colors of aventurine reminded him of the Orion's Belt star-forming region. It was an NLR Zebra-type marble with multiple colors of aventurine tracing it (black, silver, blue). He also said it could have other colors like bronze or green but it must have the silver and blue.

If you will notice, Clyde's and Dani's examples are predominately NLR Zebra-type marbles with multiple colors of aventurine tracing the ribbons. I attached a photo with red arrows pointing to the three black ribbons that put these marbles in the NLR zebra category, but were considered by Clyde to be Orion's Belts because of the additional blending aventurine colors.
After Clyde passed in 2014, i noticed a lot of postings of another type of marble being called an Orion's Belt. In my opinion, it was just a miscommunication somewhere along the line from collector to collector.

I also attached a photo of a couple NLR green rebels and the newly dubbed Midwest/East "Orion's Belts". Clyde and i discussed these types in depth, especially when we received Bruce Lockheart's entire collection from his wife after his passing. We felt the now called Midwest Orion's Belt was more closely related to the NLR Green Rebel because of the similar transparent green ribbons and the black AV in the orange ribbons. But we felt it was a misfit and couldn't be called a Green Rebel hybrid and even joked about calling the examples without AV "tropical christmas trees".

I spent more time than anyone with Clyde in the last years of his life. More time than his own family. He was my pelt brother and he taught me everything i know about pelts. Rest in Peace buddy.

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. It was an "NLR Zebra-type" marble with multiple colors of aventurine tracing it (black, silver, blue). He also said it could have other colors like bronze or green but it must have the silver and blue.

Okay well what do you say to this marble. It has several different colors of aventurine including yellow, red, copper, purple, blue even a pink! It also has some blue and bronze tracing the black. I would honestly both love/hate calling it an Orion’s Belt simply because it doesn’t look anything like the photo example you posted which looks incredible. But it would also be great if it ended up techniquely being an Orion. . 🤷‍♂️

On 7/8/2024 at 3:27 PM, akroorka said:

The one that is greenish and yellow--close to your thumb.

I could only wish to have one--killer marble and colors for sure!

Marble--On!!

Here’s another one that I received that is so incredible. This one was one of the hardest to let go of. 

16 hours ago, Tommy said:

Cool idk if I can afford the big money I don't have many C.A.C

.like those lol....only wild finds ...

16 hours ago, Tommy said:

Cool idk if I can afford the big money I don't have many C.A.C

.like those lol....only wild finds ...

Tommy in all honesty, I didn’t have the money for it either. It was a very huge risk on my part. The photos for the auction was good enough to tell they were atleast in near mint condition but the photos weren’t good enough to tell that they ultimately were mostly wet mint. All being atleast mint. I was in a desperate place and it ended up working out for me. Truely a one in a lifetime chance. I’m grateful it worked out for me. It could have really went terribly wrong.

7 hours ago, VaMarbles said:

How are you selling these?  Do you have a ebay site?  

I will mention this. I do wish I would have sold them in a place that would have allowed me to build a presence. Like building repor through having an actual landing place for people to buy from me. Like an eBay, Etsy etc. Whenever someone buys from me I have nothing to proof my quality because there is no way to capture reviews or data logs (how many I’ve sold, and/or examples of previously sold items. Those things are detrimental for the long haul 

6 hours ago, VaMarbles said:

How are you selling these?  Do you have a ebay site?  

Facebook groups. Many Facebook groups has guidelines for auctioning, trading, buying and selling. I sold them as BINs. If you one Facebook, the group marblecollectors: buy, sell identify and look my name up StevenCamp would will be able to find all that sold and the price their sold for. I was lucky enough to do well. If I would have auctioned them I would have made a fraction of the price. Here is just a few from what I sold from July to present 

Thank you everyone for you input for number 1 I was also thinking Ravenswood until I went checked out some examples for the first time in a while. Any time I see a marble with striations I always think CAC. Much like example 1. What earlier machine made marble makers have striations similar to CAC that is commonly misidenitfied? Photo examples of the striations I’m referring to. 

These all measure between 5/8ths and 11/16th

On 7/7/2024 at 4:32 PM, Tommy said:

Wow what a find....🤤

Well the find cost me 6k but it was worth it in the end. So far I’ve cleared just under $14k with maybe 15 left from 94. It has been a huge blessing. Hard to let them go. I’ll compromise several of the higher priced ones and post shortly. 

40 minutes ago, Shamrock Marbles said:

1) CAC 100%. Checks all my boxes for color, striations, pattern (flame) and surface.

2) Honest surface. No signs of polishing.

3) The “grooves” you are seeing is where the hot glass stream is surface cooling before it can meld to the previous glass gob.  Imagine taking a wet spaghetti noodle and dropping it in your hand. 100% natural.

4) Love that salmon color with the dark olive!!

Congrats!! -John

1 hour ago, akroorka said:

This one is a CAC imho.

Of course, I appreciate all opinions and hope to see some more.

This one is as found with no polishing evident imho.

The thing is--given the history, a lot of these killer CAC were found in a river (buckets full) and many were in mint condition as found.

If you have 100 of these--post some more and I am glad to see what you have and give an estimation of the maker.

Nice marble!

Marble--On!!

I’m sorry. I was unclear with my post. I was wanting to know if as made marks, like the ones I post examples of are common to find on a CAC.

the lot im talking about were nothing but CAC’s. So knowing the maker is already done. 
 

So I recently became an owner of around 100 CAC’s all at once. I am noticing that many of them have what I would call “as made” or “manufacturer marks”. Please see attached photo for illustration. What I am wondering is, is this pretty common? I know several of my previously owned CAC’s had some of these marks as well. It just seems like over 50 percent of this lot has these marks. I plan to sell many of them but I wanted to make darn sure I’m not selling something that has been polished or is modern or anything else that could be going on with them that I am still unaware of. Just wanted to double check myself before making a terrible mistake and causing others distress. 

Okwy, so I have tried to get a video or a photo that represents what this marble looks like in hand but much is lost. In the areas that are white, in hand it doesn’t look white at all, it looks half lime green half purplish blue. There is a line of lime green that follows in the white whilst a line of purple follows restpectijg boundaries. Now, the purple could be nothing more than the base glass but the lime green is undoubtedly there. Take a look and tell me what you think about this CAC

On 6/13/2024 at 10:36 AM, Alan said:

Keep in mind that when a machine made ingot is cut, the cut is not always a clean one.  That is because shear dull over usage.  A small string of glass can and will stretch a bit from the rollers until it parts.  That is where "drizzle" comes from.  Its a manufacturing defect.  When the hot ingot hit the rollers trailing that string of glass, it starts spinning immediately.  After all, that is what the rollers are for.  That "string" can immediately form a loop.  That loop can be mistaken for a "9".  These days - it often is.  People go looking for a "9", a "pontil", "aventurine" etc.  Looking enough - they will "find" them.

Its important to look at the whole marble.  Look at the glass and the glass motion.  Glass transparency and opacity.

Also, its helpful to know how cane-cut marbles are made.  And how terms that are commonly used (like "pontil") are actually misused and misunderstood.  >99% of all marbles that people refer to a "pontil" never had a punty attached to it.  Understanding the process helps accurately identify marbles.

Wow. Thank you for taking the time to explain this. I must have caught you at just the right time. I understand how annoying it must get having to explain seeminlyijg the same thing over and over. I appreciate that you took the time to help me understand. Thank you.

On 6/11/2024 at 7:47 PM, Alan said:

Not.  Don't look for them and they won't deceive you.

Although I understand what you mean and agree, I don’t agree in this instance. It atleast indirectly. I wasn’t looking for it. Actually I noticed the 9 located on the other pole. 
i first posted it in a group on Facebook asking if it was an opaque. Someone on there set me straight. So far everyone agrees that it is not a pontil. Maybe if I understood more about how they were made I would understand how it happened accidently by a machine. It just looks like it’s been affected by hands not machine. Almost like a weld. Almosted melted looking, but not like the melted pontil. 

Oh. Gotcha. Thanks guys. 

Is clear just looking at just but add black light and swirls show up.

Thanks guys. 

Is this a pontil or? 

I know that I will probably get a lot of pushback for this one however does anyone else see a Peltier NLR?

Actually, I’m sure all of you are right. I am

sincerely sorry that I bothered. Good day to you all. 

7 hours ago, Ric said:

I said it because I don't think your marbles are hand-gathered and I qualified my opinion by stating that I couldn't watch the videos.

And I assumed you were looking for help. It means nothing to me if your marbles are unidentified.

I am sorry that I offended you, and I promise it won't happen again.

So let me make sure I am understanding this. You are identifying a marble that you admit that you have not been able to actually view and your basing this identification not on the pattern of the marble, not on the color, the size or any of those things, you’re basing your answer to its identity on the fact that the video wouldn’t play? You assumed right. I am looking for help. But you have only giving me incompetence and ignorance. I understand that you are experienced with marbles. I understand that had you been able to watch the video you would have been able to identify it accurately. But you didn’t do any of those things. You can on my post, made a derogatory statement about how you’ve never seen a marble that requires a video to identify it. Then you proceed to give an answer to a marble you haven’t even been able to view. And by the way. You keep making statements that would suggest you think that there are multiple marbles illustrated in this post. There isn’t. It’s just one marble with two videos show two different angles. I see all the time from the pros that multiple photos showing multiple angles is the best way to identify and that a single photo is hardly enough to identify by. So what do I do, I set things up, I purchase a rotary device so that I could capture quick little snippets videos so it’s just like you had the marble in hand. And then I’m told that I’m being disrespectful whenever I ask why you felt it necessary to leave your little comment that was at best shallow. Oh and to top it off your gonna try and turn things around and gas light me with the whole “sorry if I offended you” crap. You’re so clueless you still think the post is about multiple marbles when it’s only about one marble. So at the very least be sure to inform me. Is less photos better for identifying or is more photos? Does a video clip give to much information making it hard to identify? That’s your goal right, to help? 

Just now, Carowill said:

Please be respectful and show some gratitude to the people who give of their time and talents to help you identify marbles.  

How exactly was I being disrespectful? His comment had nothing to do with helping. Please pay more attention. 

5 hours ago, Ric said:

I've never seen a marble that took a video to ID.

I don't think either of these is hand-gathered but then I can't watch the videos . . . I think they're just too big, and I'm tired of watching the lag-wheel spin.

 

 

Okay. Why did you say this? Wouldn’t both you and I be better off if you just moved along? So what I like taking a video to help with getting an ID. What’s it to you.