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  1. The Marketing Of New Run Marbles

    in General Marble & Glass Chat

    Posted

    Alrighty

    Two years back on another board I tried to ascertain The "value" of these marbles and had concerns over this New Marketing concept (new to marbles)

    Well in what has become the norm for Jabo discussion I was informed in contentiuos fashion that Market determines Value, hell I knew that and questioned as to the real and hidden agenda for my questions.

    Market Value, right, but there are many quanifiers and they were absent and after much ado, pretty much remain so.

    So here I go again

    The differance I see from the past, is marbles for toys compared to marbles for collectors.

    Well first would be quality control - for toys quality control was in place, unsuited marbles were culled by the company to whatever standards were in place but they were in place.

    New Run - NO Company(uniform) Quality control. None I said and will glady explain.

    The company doesnt own the marbles or the glass. Its as if they have no concerns for the disbursment of this product that bears their name.

    Within this area and I have talked to Many of the Sellers personally, information varies from source to source.

    Some say at defensive times the cull is high Mint Value Collector grade mibs 20% - 80% to cull, Other sellers 70% to 80%

    collector grade marbles.

    Of course differant runs differant results, doesnt change the point!

    The expansion of the "asmade Mint" catagorie.

    heres what happening, grading is subjective at best - and the owners grade and decide whats for sale but no cull, some sellers Mint means mint, they are few. Others asmade mint, others Nm+ on and on.

    Heres what aint happening no destroyed marbles some sellers selling everything under differant grades some sellers selling only Mint.

    Whats happening with the cull - Giveaways sure, boxed and left to sit sure(of course at some point this will enter the market weather you or descendants, much if not most cull is bought by other sellers who do not have concerns over what happens to it - its for sale.

    That means for the most part that every marble made will enter the market.

    I have them out of round, I have them (sweet Flames) with basically golf ball indents (probably from the extended stretching to produce flames and increased cooling time before rollers) and it aint a few its lots, I have others from sellers as crisp as any makers marble

    (quality control) it is entirely absent.

    So as the marbles roll thru the auctions there is no way to tell which is which - will that mean the asmade dented marble is worth the same as my mint Flame? or more likely my mint Flame worth the same as the dented one. I know if your a maker that aint ur concern.

    I'm a lill confused at this lack of controll on a "collector" grade item, you would think the controll higher than marbles for pennies toys.

    So market Value and an undefineable large # of marbles. Man it sure looks like its a good thing we collectors know our values or overhype could lead to some large losses.

    Why should we care, whats wrong with a less than a penny marble selling for $45?

    I aint answering that one its for you!

    Ya gonna take this the wrong way but its truth

    I was so glad I was watching the Dirty Job marble episode by myself, when Mr. McCullogh stood on National TV and stated this marble is worth $300, a marble that still had smoke rising from it(not really, but close) cost at most pennies and could be made at anytime.

    I would not have been able to explain the factors that drove it and believe It would have cast even more doubt over the basic sanity of a "marble collector" expessly me.

    when 2+2 aint 4 the equation is out of balance.

    I know love of the hobby, I know vested interest but before as a entrapenuer you explain the risk and cost of ur ventures let me Tell You

    as a collector I got about 10 lbs of these marbles they fit in a shoe box - collectors boxes included (not the weight)

    about 35% are actually mint and I got around $1200 in the game.

    After you figure a resonably tidy profit on the recapturing of your investment.

    Thats about in line with what you would think, right, $120 a pound or so.

    If not, welcome to the what the hell might be the value of these marbles thread.

    David

    The cull is high and half of these marbles are not suited for collector sales.

    Withou quanity and quality control there cant be real value in a collectable

    it aint 4

  2. Swirls

    in General Marble & Glass Chat

    Posted

    "So, for any of you who have not caught the underlying gist of this claptrap it is this: Galen is basically saying that both Dave McCullough and Beri Fox are lying dissemblers of the truth while he, Galen, is in sole possession of the truth. And that ain't mincing words! David Chamberlain"

    Not

    the

    underlying

    gist

    ......

    That I caught

    David

    while we on comprehension skills

    aint ur strong suit

    yep ya have to read my shit twice to get it wrong

    its intentional, and yes sometimes I even lose myself

    but

    I prefer you thinking what does he mean, than "knowing"

    I really dont think I'm ambiguous, maybe the smartasstist member

    but I know it, counts for something

    oh yea, I think it actually started "in this thread"

    when you and Galen continued ur piss'n contest

    which led to the single small comment, that almost everyone would have passed right over untill it was so kindly pointed out the offense which must be taken.

    sorry I didnt take it.

  3. Swirls

    in General Marble & Glass Chat

    Posted

    No David

    I believe you are mistaken

    That is not what I garnered from information contain - herein.

    Best I can figure some really dont like some others.

    If anything of substance besides a spectacular comparing of 2 old 2 new marbles happened it was so covered in contempt I missed it.

    David

  4. Swirls

    in General Marble & Glass Chat

    Posted

    Galen, I think they gang up on ya.

    I think if you did less of this

    "And then it usually isn't a problem untill they find out they are Jabos. That is the point that it becomes disgusting to some folks."

    "really"

    I not suggesting how ya type, but all things considered or hell anything considered

    Thats really the best way to convey ur fealings.

    "really"

    cause ya might not have really been interesested in Winnies marble picture.

    really

    David

    when ya laid it down, ya figured the cost, wasnt ur thread,

    yep ya got that right

    dont make it so though.

    alright I'm changing back this speedo has chapped my ass

  5. Swirls

    in General Marble & Glass Chat

    Posted

    the man of the hour ole "Innocence" his sef.

    you really didnt poke at em with a stick?

    cause I thought I saw ya poke at em with a stick!

    but heh, dont want to read sump'n in that aint thar, already did that once tonight and it lef me a little aggravated at myself.

    luckily someone had my back

    its nice when ya can count on the folks ya sociate with to hep ya with ur mistakes

    ya know ya make um right yea him, but no you!

    anyway

    Im lost

    was it Swirls

    ah whatever yall lead

    I'm going jus hang

    and poke fun at ya.

    David

    its gonna be a real let down if we dont waller after I changed and all

    whered that Dr Chamberlain fella get to..think he said weiz solmates or sumpn

  6. Swirls

    in General Marble & Glass Chat

    Posted

    What did you think of the comparison photos that Winnie posted Steve.

    Winnie if you dont know Mr. Sturtz (hope thats right) is a published author of marble knowledge and indentification Guides and a respected member of the marble community.

    unfortunately not so much an online guy and only comes by when Galen asks for his weekly beating.

    I understand under differant circumstances the main players in this drama hold in their grasp "most" of the marble knowledge folks come here seeking.

    I've been told!

    hmm, go figure.

    David

    heh but damn fine read'n for the lill chilren

    Ok no swirls

    taped it no less

    Galen!! liar liar pants on fire

    Now yall dont mind if I get into my wallering clothes, do you?

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