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Nice American Cornelian marble.
Red slags (Akro red slags, Cerise agates, etc) were colored with selenium - true 'oxblood' glass as known from MFC and Akro is made from copper - there is no continuum between the two. Copper ruby requires very specific heat treatment to develop the color on a predictable basis.
I stipulate your technical sumation. I know once I started with a black Ox-Blood and then sat beside it a Ox-Blood with a little more red hue to it and kept doing that process until I ended up with a red slag and about 30 marbles setting on little rubber washers. How do you like my avatar.
It's one of your masterpieces. Ronnie
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Real nice marble. Ronnie
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Gnome, that's one sweet marble. Look at that pattern, and the white to oxblood ratio is superb. This same
marble as time progressed went on to be a cherry red slag. The way it is now, if it had been 10 years earlier it
would have been the classic school house brick in color. That's a killer marble and please don't make that
awful mistake of having it buffed or polished as that little bit of haze and patina on it just attests to it's
character. Ronnie
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There are hundreds of marbles repaired this way in a lot of Old timers collections that have no idea they were repaired. I run across them at Shows more often than you would think. Many are done so well that without the black light it is very very hard to detect unless you have really really good eye sight. I would imagine many have been sold on Ebay that no note of the repair was mentioned. Many that get taken seem to think it is Okay to pass on the problem.
Yeah Galen it's sad but true. I too would imagine a lot have been glued and passed without that fact being
known. That's wrong, pure and simple. I know it would really tick me off if it happened to me. Personally I have
never sold a glued marble on any auction nor will I repair one for contract. The one here in this thread is the
second one I have done in 10 or 12 years. I guess there's no answer to this potential dilemma except that
collectors could be made known the fact that a black light could be of benefit to them if they wanted to scan
their mibs for repairs. Ronnie
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That's pretty neat Ronnie.
Does the repair show up under UV lights?
Thanks for sharing.
William Marbles, It does not show up very well in my photo without using a filter, but to answer your question, yes the repair will show when exposed to a black light. In actuality it looks like gatorade and is quite vivid, very easy to detect. Will show on long and short wave length lights. Ronnie
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step 1 Alternative Marble Repair photo1
1-3/4" marble was scrap. Had an area near the top pontil that a dime would not cover. The marble was Ground-Polished-Buffed and still had an area of damage. Leave it alone or take it to the next level in order to make it as presentable as possible? Well let's do the next level.
step 2 Alternative Marble Repair photo2
Good size drop of optical ahhesive applied in the middle of damaged area.
step 3 Alternative Marble Repair photo3
With a toothpick pull the adhesive to the outeredges. Do not touch or go over the edge. Place the marble under the UV black light to start the hardening, curing process.
step 4 Alternative Marble Repair photo4
The depth of the fill will determine how long it will take to start the hardening. When it has hardened go back to step 2 and apply a smaller amount of ahhesive. This time pull the adhesive to the edge and using the point of the toothpick you can spot it in and maintain a good curve. Put it back under the light.
step 5 Alternative Marble Repair photo5
Let it set about 10 hours under the light. Then 1 week in the ambient air, then with a q-tip lightly dampened with acetone go around the perimeter to remove edge line traces. Then enjoy your marble! Ronnie
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Where does it say torched anywhere in this description Ronnie?
I am not sure of the value so I will let this auction be valued by the public. This marble is quite rare and highly sought after. The inside work is highly skillful and has astonishing flow. This marble has 7 colors and isnt easily identified at first look. The colors include: Royal Blue, Red, Pearl White, Gold Lutz, Purple, Brown and Turquoise. The marble also has a streak of orange in it but I think it may be from the torch. The marble has a few seeding bubbles inside also; quite pretty. This marble is unlike any Transitional Ive ever seen, although that is the beauty of them.....they are all so unique. Normal patriots have Red, White and Blue but this has so many more so we classify it a hybrid considering the prevalent colors coincide. The lutz is hard to see in the pictures because of the lighting but this marble has a generous amount of lutz swirling from one pole to the next. This marble has one Pontil, which looks to be Hand Ground. The grounding on the marble is quite excessive and leaves a small flat spot. This marble has an original smooth surface witih one micro fleabite not noticeable with naked eye and it would be graded higher if the pontil wasnt so shaved down. Still displays with the best of them. Chances are this marble would be an excellent addition to your front line display case. We will entertain any offer, dont be shy.
I read something about a torch somewhere in the description. Ronnie
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I was looking at that too Galen. I'd say reworked. My clues are the black wispy lines, small bubbles and free flowing overall design.
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I went and looked at all the stuff the seller has bought in the last 90 days..... and I kept going back to this auction.
Same colors.... Same lutz strip... Same use of words....
I'm not saying that this was done... but just wonder if it couldn't have been???
William Marbles, Think your right on, I thought it may have been a Popeye but after seeing the Reno Jabo I thing one of these was used for the torch job. Ronnie
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Galen, My reply to your question was somewhat brutish and off point so I'll attempt to be more direct. To me that marble at one time was a common red, white and blue Popeye that was sprinkled with some pulverized lutz particles attached to a couple of thin clear glass rods and torched and twisted to it's present form. In all probability it started out as a 5/8ths. mib and the addition of the clear glass rod (rods) pumped it up to it's present size. The addition of the clear glass thinned out the original colors and gave it a washed out effect. Probably done by one of those strip mall glass blowers that make blown glass figurines. In his description a flat spot (spots) is mentioned and that could have been caused when the rods were detached and snapped off. The lutz particles could also have come from a decorative glass stir stick containing lutz. Just my assumption, only thing for sure is it's a torched sphere. Ronnie
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New marble or reworked vintage???
In the description the seller states that it is a torched marble, new or old really makes no difference, it's a piece of crap being passed by another piece of crap. Ronnie
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ground and polished or torched. Looks more likely torched? is that a fake pontil mark?
Torched and a add on pontil. Ronnie
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Jeff, Hello, Checked out your mibs on facebook and they are quite impressive. I've met you but it's been so long you may remember but I don't remember the event. Well anyhow welcome, you will enjoy this site. Ronnie Cox
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When you have yourself convinced you do not collect Contemporary Marbles but this is hanging on the wall.
Nice well rounded display of contemps. Ronnie
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Greg, You just keep right on a posting. RonnieI believe it's about 'religion' .
Maybe a 'The Lounge' topic???
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Hi all, there was a husband and wife team of collectors in New Smyrna Beach, there collection was in a few of the reference books. I believe they later sold the collection. Can anyone remember their names?
Thanks and best wishes to all.....Joe
It was Gary and Sally Dolly. Ronnie
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Interesting Ronnie; I have heard and considered the "hand gathered" theory of companies other the M.F.C.(but that is another subject), but have not heard the term hand gathered and handmade used for any glass companies other than those prior to M.F.C. Have you seen any type of pontil(s) on these companies marbles? Not doubting, just curious.
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Dan, Yes for sure, A long time ago I put together a chronology of red slags starting with a hand made single
pontil black brick and ending with the last of the Akro slags. The later was weak in it's red coloring. In between
the black brick and the weak colored slag was a progression of about 40 or so marbles and I had them
sequenced in 1 foam waffled layer of a large gun case. The primarily black brick started to take on a red cast and
about the 10th or 12th marble was now the classic schoolhouse brick and about the 20th marble was a cherry
red Akro Agate with no brick and a sweet number 9 or 6 and from about the 30th on they started getting weaker
and weaker in other words cheaper and cheaper as marbles were losing their popularity and companies were
cheapening up on their product to survive. Another case in point: About 28 years ago at the first or second
Columbus show at the Lennox Inn (pretty sure the second) Earl Hogue a good friend of mine walked up to me
and said Ronnie do you have any idea what this is and handed me a marble. That marble was a inch and a half
single pontil Akro Agate Golden Onyx with Ox-Blood or AKA: Eggyolk Oxblood. I said yes I know what it is Earl
and it is very rare. I asked Earl, is it for sale and he said yes and I said well Earl I can only give you a thousand
dollars for it but it's worth a whole lot more than that. To make a long story short Earl sold it to Danny Turner from
the Running Rabbit auction house for either $3 thousand or $3500 cant remember. Scott Patrick knows the
picker that found the marble and sold it to Earl. What I'm trying to say is I think a lot of the older larger marble
factories employed immigrant master glass craftsmen from overseas and they hand made marbles while the
companies they worked for were setting up their new modern machines to mass produce marbles. Ronnie
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Dan, looks to me like you have a hand gathered hand made marble from one of the early American marble making companies. It could be a Navarre or a Leighton but more likely a M.F. Christensen, Akro Agate, Chrisrensen Agate, and maybe Peltier. Personally I think it is a Akro Agate as the purple looks like Akro glass. I think if it was a Navarre it would have more revolutions and a lot less bleed out once it got past the half way point. No matter what it is it is a super marble in pristine condition and a real prize. Ronnie
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It's a very nice modern marble. Ronnie
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More marbles
The red ribbon lutz is 1" on the nose
All the marbles are very nice.
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Nice work, you did a real nice job. Ronnie
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Marble beads from the African and Asian trade
I have been a bead collector for nearly forty years and one of the most desirable to me and most collectors are the German marbles that were finished off as beads for trade in Africa and Asia.
My question do any of you marble collectors have any marble beads in your collections? If so I would truly like to see images of what you have.
I have included two images of some of the as made beads for those that have never seen them.
All my best ......... Danny
Danny, Those are really nice beads. Hansel, here on this board has some of those. I'm sure there are other's on the board who have some as well. Ronnie
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Thanks you guys.
These took 5 hours of work and I used almost a full tank of oxygen during the repair. I can't wait to see how the reaction is when they see these in hand as pictures don't do them justice.
Fantastic work Rich, Very impressive to say the least. Ronnie
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Wediscounts,
If it is something that persists then if you take the air out of it the flame will die. If you keep blowing on it as someone tries to bring it back to life, then all you are doing is fanning those flames.
Being here a whole 2 weeks I have noticed you get suckered and baited in real fast...Someone throws some troll bait and you dive on it and PEW......Let it go. If you feel ok with it and the site does not have an issue with you,then ignore the posts.
William, I had no intentions of doing ANYTHING other than spit and pants leg, period
If it looks like ass after I remove dirt and dust it goes into the poo pile. Hell,that larger brick almost went there because of that big assed hole. I saw past listing where they sold with the hole and if I had not it never would have been listed. I see no reason why people would buy a beat up marble or why they need a place holder...It's not like it is a 51 or 52 Mantel. Odds are it is an abundant, made in the MILLIONS, 50-300.00 marble so why settle >? Ist, is that a real marble part of the way down an onion in an onion ? Almost looks CGI
That would be one beautiful marbleI need me a detailed break down of 9.0-9.6
Gnome, thanks for the advice. It's hard to take it though when someone is digging in your personal matters. O'h well have a good one. Ronnie
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Anytime you alter the appearance of a marble to sell is frown upon. I would get mad if a seller put wax on a marble to shine it up and then get it in the mail this non wet marble?. Do you say in your listing you waxed it? Now I would have to decide whether its worth my trouble to return or not. We had this type of convo here when Ronnie was outed for failure to disclose with said alterations. In marbles to alter the appearance in any way with out revealing is fraud.
Clyde, Tired of you throwing my name around when you have no cause to do so. It's not my fault that life dealt you a bad hand but quit trying to take it out on me. Ronnie
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Randy, It's the kind of marble that you can see down into from several locations and when backlight you can see the entire makeup of the core. Ronnie PS I studied the photos real good and I do not think it has been messed with.