wediscount2

I had a friend send me a message concerning the rebel. That way I can put out the possibility of it being polished.

I have sent several marbles to Leroy for polishing. These are my personal marbles and I am hoping it will help me see what to look for. I have also sent off a brick to Santa to be fixed to see if that is obvious as well.

I do not wish to mislead anyone and the fact these are not my marbles makes it more so. It would be like helping a friend sell a car and finding out it is stolen I suppose...well, maybe not that bad

Gnome Punter...punting does NOT equate to hate...just fun !

Wediscount, I am sorry, your sentences ran together and I got confused

The K and M had dirt and, what I can only guess, was syrup caked to it. The grit left at the seam was my fault as it was dust/dirt and....coke, it HAD to be coke

I will get pics if you will drop links for me if they will help. If such is the case I would assume Mr.Stewart had been sold these marbles in this condition as his wife had never heard of polishing. She did say he found out in several instances he had been taken advantage of so this may just be another instance of such.

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Wediso^&^&^&s you have confused me more or perhaps it is your picture taking.

You said rounded is real, flat (sheered even I assume) is polished.

You listed this marble as polished but it slopes inward

Gnome, I mean no offense but learning to tell the condition of a marble takes a lot of hands on observation. If you rely on others to grade your material your going to get a lot of different opinions. Your better off saying your uncertain as to the condition and put up a lot of good clear photos and then put in your description that the photos are a part of my description and let the bidders be the judge. Ronnie

Did not get to finish my post Writing you all from the pool...praying for the sorm to hit as I am roasting out here.

ANY listings that have the potential to have been polished, let me know.

I would like to add a disclaimer so as not to be viewed as intentionally misleading people,who like myself, may not know what a polished marble looks like

Also if you THINK but are not sure, let me know the listing and I will take macrophotos of marble surface with lightangeled to display anysurface marks.

Also,tell me how a marble is polished lol. I saw some of wediscounts marble that he had marked as polished,to try and get an understanding.but he had marbles marked as polished that had pock marks,holes and the such which just confused me more.

I also, at least I think Ido, understand there are degrees of polishing with buffin being considered as in the same clas as grinding off the surface...so now only do I not know what to look for, I think I am befuddled as well

Iemailed my friendandtold her what was said,she has no idea.Shesaidherhusband would buy marbles at shows andthat was that so Iam assuming anymarble that may have been polished,was sold to him without knowledge.I do not think there is any deception going on just a general, likewith myselflack of knowledge relating to polished marbles

Thanks guys

Gnome, you have that backwards. Buffing is normally kinder to the marble than polishing. (my view on the subject). If I list a marble as lightly buffed, then that means haze, and light scratches could have been removed from the marble. If I list a marble as buffed then in addition to haze and light scratches, medium and deep scratches along with small flea bites and very small tiny chips could have been removed. If I list a marble as polished than anything and everything could have been done to it. Ronnie PS: my opinion on some of your auction marbles. I didn't look at all of them I quit after the golden rebel peewee. 37/64ths brick Polished-- 41/64ths superman Polished--43/64ths ketchup & mustard Hard Buffed-- 45/64ths 3 color cork and the peltier rebel Buffed or they need toothbrushed as it appears there is grinding grit inside the bubble pops. Also on any of your auction marbles with bubble pops, if the perimeter edges of the marble are sharp and level with the adjacent glass then that marble has been buffed or polished. If the perimeter edge is rounded and slopes downward then it is a normal bubble pop. Ronnie

Gnome, not trying to upset your apple cart but quite a few of the marbles you have on auction have either been polished or hard buffed or buffed. The PeeWee Golden Rebel has definitely beyond any doubt been polished. Ronnie

Just got in @9:20 from the Canton Show. Left early due to illness. The show was fantastic. Motel was sold out Tuesday for the days of Wednesday, Thursday and Friday. Thursday night they were even putting marble people up on the second floor. Bought a lot of nice marbles. Seen two of the finest antique Marble collections I have ever seen displayed. Neither person was selling, just displaying. One man was from Chattanooga and the other sorry to say I did not get any info on. The one man had on 1 small table material displayed you only dream about, and that didn't include his revolving watch case which was loaded with killer stuff as well. Said it took him 35 years to assemble the collection. I had a room next to the other great collection, a man from Tennesse. He only displayed about 60 or 70 marbles and in 1 large gun case I picked up a 2-1/2" wet mint swirl that had a fat transparent colored glass jelly like core (don't remember the color) with rows of small patterned bubbles running parallel to the pontils and the outer core was thin threads of 5 or 6 different colors and about 30 threads, There was so many thin glass threads that it made it a little hard to see the inner core. Loads and loads of nice machine mades and the buying and selling was brisk to say the least. Great show, had a wonderful time. Ronnie

Dot, You ask: Good investment? I state, It could be a great investment, or it could be a terrible investment!. When you are trying to find out specifics about a collectible, then you need to supply all the info you can about it. IE: Is it well centered, is it a first out of the mold, middle of the road, or a real dud with rounded edges on the component parts. Are there bubbles or a bubble attached to the figure and if so how big. Near Mint could mean anything! You actually need to describe it in the best of your ability the condition of the marble. etc., etc., etc., I'm only pointing these things to you in order to help you. Welcome to the board, Ronnie

well I look at it as a great job as to get the speeds correct that all three are matched by pulley size is a great talent as we all know the three heads have to be the same speed I think . Mike

I'll bet it does a great job of grinding and polishing judgeing from the cup sizes. That machine would handle a 3 inch sphere with no problems. Ronnie

Commonality is Amber, Cobalt(blue), then clear. The larger the spots or crazier the pattern, the more they can be worth. Also very visible internal striping can increase value. Some call them Guinea cobras but I dislike the term. Guineas always seem to draw close to value on Ebay if the pics and description are right on. And remember if there is not a seam or 2 it is a FAKE

Someone with knowledge needs to give some input on the Shamrock versions, as I was told the later versions had somewhat of a seam. Ronnie

I would like a polisher for my own personal marbles that are damaged that I would rather keep than toss in the bucket of blah and doom

I found a website but MAN is it confusing

http://www.theglassmarble.com/sphere%20grinder.htm

How about some more images of people's polishers ?

Maybe I will have an epiphany and ask a lot of questions !!

That machines a monster. I'd be afraid of getting my clothing caught up in it, or a bucket of the slurry falling on my head and bashing out what little brains I got left. Ronnie

Does anyone know whom would be the foremost person to speak with concerning Guineas in the hobby ?

I have several being shipped to me next week that a family friend wishes me to sell for her. I am Guinea-clueless beyond what someone could google. I would want to know the order of rarity,in-relation to base color, pattern, coloration,size,etc,etc

Thanks ahead of time.

I will put up pics when these arrive. She has sent me a medium flat rate box of Akros,Marble kings and Alleys to start selling for her and it will be here Thursday and I will post images of these as well to give people a "crack" at it.

I know there are 2 Water mellons and several hundred Cac flames and slags as her husband had been collecting Christense marbles for nearly 40 years. I do not want to go the .99 Ebay route on the guineas as the market is terribly soft right now and I would do her little justice in letting a marble that could potentially be a 300.00 marble flop for 200 or a rare version bring a few hundred when it's potential could be in the thousand range.

I am not a consignor, I am doing this as a favor. Granted, I get pick of any Akros I like as was her insistence (I declined several times and realized she was one of those people who would feel like she was doing me wrong by not giving some compensation)and she made sure to send me a few supermans to ensure I have some "gravy", still my motivation is to help someone who is utterly clueless and facing mounting debt.

Not to use the personal problem angle to generate sympathy and increase sales yields, but to place her situation out there as my motivation to help.

On that particular marble Galen is right up there with the best of the advanced collectors. You didn't make it real clear. How are you going to sell the marbles. Ronnie

Why is Scott, always getting dragged into stuff? Poor Scott.

This is about marble companies not marble artist.... right?

What company has the Peltier machine now?

William Marbles, think you need to read my original quote. galen posted a photo and I simply said it looked like a killer Patrick marble. Wheres the harm in that?

I have many of Scotts marbles, and that is not one of them Ronnie.

Really!, Scott's had his hands all over that marble. Ronnie

Gnome, if you find someone reliable let me get their name as I sent this bird off for a repair and since I only had enough money to pay for half the estimated repair the polisher only did half the marble. Ronnie

Where you coming from? The second and third marble you sent a photo of are killer Christensen Marbles. The first photo is a killer Patrick marble. Ronnie

Ronnie there are several folks on this board that do not really care for me. But they all seem to be honest forthright folks that just do not like my opinions or the way I express them. I would be happy to answer any of their questions and heck even buy them lunch so we could argue and talk marbles. For you I have this,

Ditto chromie, ditto!!!!!

This thread got me investigating. http://marbleconnection.com/topic/7024-what-the-h-e-double-toothpicks/page-2?hl=+alley%20+patch you seemed to be positive Alley made patches then. What changed your mind? Maybe someday I will cahange my mind. Thats how it works. Opinions are given evidence found assumptions made and other opinions made. It can be done with out the Pot shots.

Galen not trying to start anything but your next to last sentence I don't understand, could you re-phrase or clarify it a little. Ronnie

Best show ever! I hope somone will take over to continue this great tradition. Thanks to Huxford's years of dedication and hard work.

Sami

Was only able to attend 2 times but enjoyed both visits. Met the Huxford's and they were swell people. It was at my first visit that I met some early machine made collectors, Larry Castle, Marlow Petersen, Harold Sugarman and his Mom and Sister, Russell Coppell from CA who at the time was probably the most advanced machine made collector going. Sorry to here it is closing down, guess that only leaves me with Canton which is another great show but I heard Steve was pulling out there so I'll have to look into that situation. Ronnie

har ... not much more needed to be added .. except the personal motives .. of the originator of this thread ... of " stirring" the pot .. with assumptions instead of .. on the ground " facts" ... and galen .. name the " salters" ... and QUIT .. blowing hot air ... bill

Amen to the hot air!!!

Real Sweet!!!!!!!! Ronnie

The top one is completely phony. The bottom one has been repaired on a 5 step Lapidary machine, that's why it's grape shaped in 2 of the photos, and the pontils have been doctored on both ends. Ronnie

How's come they haven't showed up except for the last few years. How's come they are all in a mint like condition. They remind me of the California Sulphides, Here today, gone tomorrow. Ronnie

I don't know Galen,This bul- mold types,i got out of Austria.

Nice Marble Winnie, do you have others. The ones I got off ebay were pretty rough. I don't really know much about them but I know mine were in the ground a long time as the majority of them were laden with crazing lines. I could see someone putting the calcium to e'm but not the crazing lines. Ronnie

So, do you mean that the marbles we've been calling Czech bullet-mold marbles (for a while) are actually Prosser-process marbles?

It's been my understanding (possibly deeply flawed, I admit) that the Prosser method was much more mechanized than the hand-pressing I saw on the (great) video you attached -- and, that at least as far as beads were concerned, very few Prosser ones were made in Germany; most of those appearing on German bead sample cards (from approx. the 1930s) were actually made in France or Bohemia (Czechoslovakia).

It's a revelation to me that at least some of these marbles, whether bullet-mold or Prosser, were actually made in Germany, Ronny, please let me know when some go up on ebay. I'd love to have a few.

There on ebay now. seller name is wediscount Thanks, Ronnie

Thanks for the info Ronnie on the polishing. I suspected they wouldnt come apart. These type go thru a polishing process at time of manufacture. I have 2 peewees that didnt go thru this process. The colors are more dull, have some pops and the seam is way pronounced. There was a seller on ebay years ago that had a connection in the Czech republic that came upon a stash of these. Mostly loose, but some bags. He put the date as '40-'50s. I have seen the website that still sells them. Sorry, I dont have a link. Maybe Steph can find it.

As a side note. This type can get very large. I have a set of 10 that are over 1".

No problem here on this end. I went in and looked at my winning auction and it said the early 1900's. Maybe Galen, Bob Block, yourself and a couple of other reports I have had are right. Could be the 30's or 40's. What I do know is that cement crust on the marbles was very, very hard. Far as your 2 peewees go send me a pic of them and if they are fairly well round and not loaded with cement I'll spin em for you, won't cost you nothing but a couple of bucks shipping. Ronnie

If this thread goes south, I'll want to leave part of it up here, and move part of it to the BOISZ. Please don't make it hard for me to split it up.

Steph, no need to move the thread, I'm done. Galen accomplished what he set out to do and that was to hijack

my post. He's done that to me a few times and that's just the way it is. I'm not upset with Galen, matter of fact I

like Galen. What the marble collecting community needs is more people that would think and act like Galen does.

He is very honest and tells it the way he see's it, right or wrong. He needs to be a little more considerate at times

but other than that he's doing just fine. Ronnie

I personally do not believe them to be 100 years old. They were still making cane cut marbles and sulphides in the early 30s and I believe these came after the cane cuts. Gosh Ronnie, all I had to go by was the marble you got from Scott, polished, sold on ebay and did not disclose. Glad you are doing things different now.

Gee it's nice to know that there is a marble cop out there in his little white cape and mask looking out for all the unsuspecting souls

about to get devoured by the likes of me. That's funny, I got a good laugh on that one.