Would these be Akro same run?

[davesnothere]

Came together. 63 and .62 for size.

Always thought Akro but there is cadmium in the yellow which makes me cringe makes me think modern .

Thanks for any info I'm in the middle of sorting patches. 

No more wvs to sort  thankfully 

 

[The Nickel Guy]

I don't see how they couldn't be. Look like clones almost, and nice ones too.

[Alan]

There is no such thing as Akro "same run".  "Same run" has become a whimsical corruption of "same cane" from handmades.  Seemingly to denote rarity and collectability.

Akro ran standard dedicated production to a well-known palette of color combinations and types (corkscrews, patches etc).  They filled orders taken by salesmen ordered on standardized product sheets by retailers.  Changing glass in an otherwise well-running pot was unnecessary until the pot lining degraded and began mixing with the glass.  So one machine could and did put out a popular type and color combination for many months - again, until the pot degraded.

The entire idea of vintage marble production was to find a successful design and then produce it as cheaply as possible (very small fractions (~1/20th) of one cent each) as fast as possible 24 hours a day.  Then, in Akro's case, ship 2-3 train boxcar loads twice each week.  Get that machine producing an exact design and color combo and make many hundreds of thousands of them - cheap.  Then rebuild the pot, lather, repeat.  Sameness and consistency was the goal for each machine and operator.

The Akro Agate production floor was quite large and sustained quite a few machines, not just a few.  We know this because of statements made by Akro employees and proven by the layout of water drains on the production floor slab that went from the machines via a french drain system to the waste outflow.  (Marbles were found in some of the french drains, including some weird oxbloods).

I think that the "same run" idea was born of Facebook denizens who have not studied vintage machine made production and have dragged a factual handmade name to a romanticized mass-production idea that isn't supported by fact.  Vintage machine made manufacturing was very rarely experimental.  At 1/20th to 1/30th of a cent each, a manufacturer cannot afford much experimentation.  The same is true of filling retailer orders.  If you ship me marbles that look much different than what the salesman showed me in the (very consistent) Sample Case, then I'll tell you to take them back.

[Carowill]

1 hour ago, Alan said:

There is no such thing as Akro "same run".  "Same run" has become a whimsical corruption of "same cane" from handmades.  Seemingly to denote rarity and collectability.

Akro ran standard dedicated production to a well-know palette of color combinations and types (corkscrews, patches etc).  They filled orders taken by salesmen ordered on standardized product sheets by retailers.  Changing glass in an otherwise well-running pot was unnecessary until the pot lining degraded and began mixing with the glass.  So one machine could and did put out a popular type and color combination for many months - again, until the pot degraded.

The entire idea of vintage marble production was to find a successful design and then produce it as cheaply as possible (very small fractions (~1/20th) of one cent each) as fast as possible 24 hours a day.  Then, in Akro's case, ship 2-3 train boxcar loads twice each week.  Get that machine producing an exact design and color combo and make hundreds of thousands of them - cheap.  The rebuild the pot, lather, repeat.  Sameness and consistency was the goal for each machine and operator.

The Akro Agate production floor was quite large and sustained quite a few machines, not just a few.  We know this because of statements made by Akro employees and proven by the layout of water drains on the production floor slab that went from the machines via a french drain system to the waste outflow.  (Marbles were found in some of the french drains, including some weird oxbloods).

I think that the "same run" idea was born of Facebook denizens who have not studied vintage machine made production and have dragged a factual handmade name to a romanticized mass-production.  Vintage machine made manufacturing was very rarely experimental.  At 1/20th to 1/30th of a cent each, a manufacturer cannot afford much experimentation.  The same is true of filling retailer orders.  If you ship me marbles that look much different than what the salesman showed me in the (very consistent) Sample Case, then I'll tell you to take them back.

Great explanation Alan!

[The Nickel Guy]

I agree, great and thoughtful response Alan. Thanks!

[davesnothere]

Alan your reply is most excellent thank you!

I'll defiantly put this out of my head now. I started with german mibs machine mades are a new hobby for me , plus the bad info that's picked up on the net especially bad ebay listing's lol.

[davesnothere]

3 hours ago, The Nickel Guy said:

I don't see how they couldn't be. Look like clones almost, and nice ones too.

Thanks they do look kinda cool matching like that.