is this an end of day?

[Columbusrockhound]

On 3/10/2022 at 8:24 PM, wvrons said:

I agree totally 100% with Alan. They are cane made marbles. Unless you were present at the time when it was made. There is no way to know if it was the end of the work day.  Many different things as Alan listed can affect the final look of cane made marbles. Sometimes the colors may run thin or out near the end of the cane and sometimes the colors extend well to the very end of the marble.  Words and names are major tools for sales and values. But so many beliefs are not all correct. More of those are being debunked every year. When many of these thoughts names and beliefs came about. They may have been the best assumptions, guess or information available at the time. Some no doubt were for nothing but sales and profit. Just live and learn, new, more and better information comes out about marbles every year. We just have to stay updated and be willing to change. 

Let's see if I get this right ?  If the cane is originally one inch and they then stretch it to 1/2 inch size.  Yes the colors would be thinner and less vibrant.  Most people making cane cut marbles make the cane into the size marbles they want. The stretch usually happens after the cane is made to the size they goal for. They usually build the cane then a slight stretch or twist can be made on the end of the cane to make a twist in the colors of the cane. This very tightly twisted end is cut off and discarded. The cane is reheated again and then the separate marbles cut off of the cane. Sometimes near the rod end of the cane, there can be enough glass for one smaller marble. The cane is reheated then the smaller marble cut off. A one inch or inch and a half diameter cane maybe six or eight inches long can be stretched into six or ten feet long. Then the final cane might be one quarter or one half inch or less diameter.  Now it is to long to cut marbles from. So that smaller diameter long cane is broke into pieces and used later on a new marble cane for inside of larger marbles. I am sure there are several videos on the internet You Tube and other places that show cane cut marbles being made.

If there is end of day or end of cane marble ? Which is possible.  Then why is there not a first off of cane or beginning of day marble ? Which is possible. Six marbles made from one cane may all look very much alike in detail. But two of the six may look different in detail. The first off of the cane and the end of the cane. How many times have you seen, first off of cane marbles mentioned in a book or listed as such for sale ? That has had me scratching my head for over twenty five years. But I was lucky, the very first year that I was interested in marbles. Many full days, I watched Sammy Hogue make cane cut marbles from a twenty ton furnace.  All the time he was explaining each step.  Then after reading a couple marble books, I ask Sammy what "end of day marble" was. He said it is the last marble that I make today.  I felt dumb so I ask again, what "end of cane marble" was ?  Again he said it is the last marble I make from each cane. I ask if they were different or the same. He said, if I make all of them the same they would all be the same. He said if, I change the cane or do something different each cane will be different and each end of cane would be different.  So there are less numbers of, first off of cane and end of cane than the marbles from the middle of the cane. But there are always exceptions. The larger size marbles over two inch to four inch diameter. may only have one or two marbles per cane. If only two marbles per cane, one is first off of cane and the other is end of cane.  But end of day is only possibly known, if you were there at the end of the day.  

 Alan or someone else can clean this up and or add to if needed. 

Funny, I brought this up a while back with you. Thanks for posting it. Let me add, I do not believe any cane made were ever called 'end of day', until someone had a slip of the tongue and it somehow spread and stuck. End of cane and in my opinion, it would have to be first off, as the last bit of cane would leave you with nothing to hold onto while forming a round shape. $.02

[wvrons]

I end up at least once or twice a year in this same discussion, end of day-end of cane.