Swirl, slag or wirepull pt3

[LevvyPoole]

Swirl left, wirepull right?

Both just under 5/8.

[Al Oregon]

Swirl and slag (IMO)

[Ric]

A wirepull should have one continuous filament/ribbon so you should only see two ends. I think a couple of the ones you've posted today could be wirepulls but it will be near impossible for anyone but you to know for sure, since the "wire" can dive and resurface numerous times and that is very difficult to see in  photos.

I could see the left one here being a wirepull but there is no way I can tell for sure from here.

[LevvyPoole]

Yeah, I've tried following them and think a few of them seem continuous, I'll try to keep this in mind.. 

[LevvyPoole]

14 hours ago, Ric said:

A wirepull should have one continuous filament/ribbon so you should only see two ends. I think a couple of the ones you've posted today could be wirepulls but it will be near impossible for anyone but you to know for sure, since the "wire" can dive and resurface numerous times and that is very difficult to see in  photos.

I could see the left one here being a wirepull but there is no way I can tell for sure from here.

Hmm, but at which point does something change classification from swirl to wirepull if it is one thread? Something to do with the construction or manufacturing method? I'll do some closer inspections. 

From AAM - 

• On the Euro-wirepull types, the ribbon usually stays pretty uniform in width for the most part, meaning it doesn't taper much and stays the same thickness though out the swirling pattern. It would be very unusual to have a wispy white ribbon.
• The definition of a "Wirepull" is one continuous ribbon that doesn't break off. But, guess what? Many USA swirls are made the same way and do the same thing, but vary in ways of the ribbon staying more uniform. If enough wirepulls are investigated, examples will be found where they do taper and swell but it is a numbers/percentage concept. Many more WV swirls that taper and swell will be found than Euro-wirepull types tapering and swelling.

[Ric]

12 minutes ago, LevvyPoole said:

Hmm, but at which point does something change classification from swirl to wirepull if it is one thread?

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Wherever you want it to, there is no formal definition or cut-off point that I know of. I don't think it would even be possible to come up with one. All I would say is that if it is not one continuous "wire" it's not a wirepull.

It is important to keep in mind that these are for the most part random swirls. You may be able to distinguish one company's from another's but there is still a tremendous amount of variation even within the swirls of a particular company. And often times, outliers from one company can look very much like another company's marbles. That is why there are a considerable number of WVSs that simply cannot be definitively identified, even though some people might state their opinion as fact.