Matsuno and Seike, Japanese veneered marbles

[shiroaiko]

I acquired an original bag of pinchers recently. It was actually a gift from @chigasaki_seaglass (Instagram) when I purchased some marbles from him. The brand was Camel/Matsuno from Osaka. This was the first time I’d seen pinchers in this packaging. They were mixed with other common types of Matsuno cats such as white cross-throughs and 4-vanes with a center opening. They are all peewees ranging from 12 to 13 mm.

The poly bag has a slit which was caused by age deteriaration, so the marbles are taken out from this opening. 

The below is a package for export which houses slightly larger 13-14 mm Chinese Checker Marbles. 

Something nice is the black ones show a cool kind of purple when light comes through. 

Another type of veneered marble that is made in Osaka is Seike's. They commonly have tiny white bits in the white, and the cutlines are somewhat different from Camel pinchers as you can see. I also have some good pictures of Wale's variegated marbles that were kindly shared with me by @Pinx some time ago, but I haven't asked permission to post them yet🙏 (just being lazy.) 

 

Edited September 20 by shiroaiko
I found redundancy in one part of the passage, so I deleted the part.

[akroorka]

17 hours ago, shiroaiko said:

(just being lazy.) 

 

Great stuff here shiroaiko,

A great share!

I get lazy too--today I am quite lazy but my fingers still work.

I was never a typist--click, click, click, one by one😁.

[Ric]

Thanks for posting this, Aiko. It's nice to finally get some definitive information about these marbles. This 40 ct. box of 9/16" Matsuno's was packaged with the Ohio Arts Chinese Checkers game. We called the marbles "Mt. Fujis"back in the day. 🙂

[tkt]

cool.those seike’s are nice looking

[shiroaiko]

@akroorka Thanks! Then I was not the only one who felt a bit lazy yesterday. 😃

@Ric Do you mean you play with the very Chinese Checker marbles as a child? If it is so, what year was it?

I also have Matsuno marbles which just look like "Mt. Fuji with the sun".  They are fun.

@tkt Thanks, seikes are also nice-looking marbles! Although I don't have one in my collection, some appear to come with green aventurine. 

[Alta]

This is such an informative thread. 

I have a fairly large number of what I thought were all Wales Pinchers, but now it seems some of them could be Seike or even Matsuno. 

Out of these four examples, would 2 be Seike, 1 and 3 be Wales and 4 Matsuno? 

Or am I misunderstanding the first post in this thread? 

Any further examples/info is greatly appreciated 

[shiroaiko]

Hi, Alta, thanks for your comment and questions! 😃

What I meant in my earlier post was Naoyuki Seike made Wale's variegated marbles. Sorry if I wasn't clear before. 

As for # 4, I'm also not sure about it when I look at the cutline. Maybe Seike?

Matsuno's yellow/orange pinchers are usually 3 layers, with the yellow or orange sandwiched between clear. You can tell this when you closely look at the poles. They also come in peewee size, and I haven't come across larger ones yet...

Seike's veneered marbles are two layers: a colored surface and a clear base. 

Which do you think the marble in question looks more like? 

[Alta]

Thank you for the informative reply. That makes sense! 

The marble in question is likely Seike - does not seem to be under a clear layer, but I will definitely be looking at all of my Peewees that has a similar look a bit closer to try to determine if they are Matsuno. 

Thanks again, I appreciate the details in your responses

[YasudaCollector]

Ooh, I'll have to look through my variegated patches. I have a large Mason jar filled to the brim with them! I've even got a couple of shooter sized ones.