Roberto Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 Whisplers, yes, relative of Master. I wanted to open this thread to try to curb a bit this (which I still notice) confusion that can arise with Masters Below I will show a description of these, opaque and transparent. I don't have many, but enough to give the idea. These marbles generally range in size from 9/16 to 1 inch, maybe more My simplest and quickest advice, and in my opinion the most effective for identifying these whispering marbles, is that many, if not most, have or can have a very clear glass but very, very bubbly, which Masters generally do not have. Then, over time, with a bit of patience, you will gain experience and you will be able to notice some differences with Master marbles even in the seams. To begin with, I will show a text related to these, both opaque and transparent, followed by some marbles "A Vintage Whispler marble, sometimes known as a European Fat-Core marble. This opaque type is harder to find than the transparent variety. Detailed blending and strata combine with sophisticated opaque colours for plenty of interest and impact. Whisplers are a mysterious vintage marble class, distributed in England during the 1950's and 60's by British firms including Irene Manufacturing Company, Chad Valley Games, H.P. Gibson and Co. and T.S.L. Products, England. They are readily recognised as a mainstay of many nostalgic and happy marble memories. Appreciated for an amorphous, flowing character, they are often galactic in style with intricate organic striations. The opaque varieties have an intense character, with detailed blending of beautiful tertiaries in a creamy, earthy and often moody palette - unlike the more common transparent base Whisplers which range from clear and intense to cloudy, misty and filamentous; with wispy vanes, and delightful floating clouds of tiny bubbles. They can sometimes resemble the American 'Master' marbles due to a similar manufacturing process." 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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akroorka Posted February 22 Report Share Posted February 22 6 hours ago, Roberto said: Whisplers, yes, relative of Master. Great stuff Roberto! Thanks for this and-- Marble--On!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenb Posted February 23 Report Share Posted February 23 Well done Roberto! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 Thanks to both of you! I really appreciate it Maybe in the future Stephen will decide to make a video about these too? 😜 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 Here's an unusual one.. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 Hi Roberto, what is the defining characteristics to differentiate Master from Whispler? Is it purely the bubbly base glass or is there more things like color palate or something we can look at. A few you posted here I would have definitely sorted with my Masters, and as I know Euro Whisplers did make it's way here to Canada I would love to have some ways to try to differentiate between the two. As an example these two came in a lot that had a lot more foreign marbles than US marbles. Is there any way to know whether they could be Whisplers rather than Masters (where I currently have them sorted) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 21 hours ago, Alta said: Ciao Roberto, quali sono le caratteristiche distintive che differenziano il Master dal Whispler? È semplicemente il bicchiere di base spumeggiante o ci sono altri aspetti come la palette di colori o qualcosa che possiamo considerare? Alcuni di quelli che hai pubblicato qui li avrei sicuramente abbinati al mio Masters, e poiché so che l'Euro Whispler è arrivato fino in Canada, mi piacerebbe avere qualche suggerimento per provare a differenziarli. Ad esempio, queste due sono arrivate in un lotto che conteneva molte più biglie straniere che americane. C'è un modo per sapere se potrebbero essere Whisplers piuttosto che Masters (dove le ho attualmente ordinate)? Hi,Alta Wow, I'd love to see these two in hand. In my opinion these are two Masters The second one is nice, type a helmet, I would like to have it😊 I will show some pictures of the second kind, Master Whisplers, considered relatives of Master, precisely because of their similar characteristics. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell them apart, precisely because of their similarity. However, in my opinion, the joints of Master are more pronounced, deep, and clear, so clean, as well as having glass that is much less bubbly and sparkling, in summary. As I mentioned, whisplers in general show (as you can see in the images above) an exaggerated amount of bubbles that the Masters do not have. Then, there might be the exception where in some cases they could be indistinguishable from each other, especially when viewed on a monitor, but generally they can be distinguished. I repeat, the key point for the distinction is the bubbles, in transparent whispers, although it is not an absolute rule. Less sharp and clean seams in the matte ones, compared to Master As for the color palette, I wouldn’t pay much attention to this, as both types of marbles have the same earthy colors. Now, I am not an expert on the matter, I just wanted to give my personal impression on it to be helpful, and I hope it is appreciated. Thanks again to everyone for your attention! 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 Here's the type of Master I was mentioning, helmet-style (as I consider it) 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alta Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 34 minutes ago, Roberto said: Hi,Alta Wow, I'd love to see these two in hand. In my opinion these are two Masters The second one is nice, type a helmet, I would like to have it😊 I will show some pictures of the second kind, Master Whisplers, considered relatives of Master, precisely because of their similar characteristics. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell them apart, precisely because of their similarity. However, in my opinion, the joints of Master are more pronounced, deep, and clear, as well as having glass that is much less bubbly and sparkling, in summary. As I mentioned, whisplers in general show (as you can see in the images above) an exaggerated amount of bubbles that the Masters do not have. Then, there might be the exception where in some cases they could be indistinguishable from each other, especially when viewed on a monitor, but generally they can be distinguished. I repeat, the key point for the distinction is the bubbles, in whisplers, although it is not an absolute rule. As for the color palette, I wouldn’t pay much attention to this, as both types of marbles have the same earthy colors. Now, I am not an expert on the matter, I just wanted to give my personal impression on it to be helpful, and I hope it is appreciated. Thanks again to everyone for your attention! Thanks for the very detailed explanation. I appreciate it greatly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted February 24 Author Report Share Posted February 24 You're welcome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephenb Posted February 24 Report Share Posted February 24 12 hours ago, Roberto said: Thanks to both of you! I really appreciate it Maybe in the future Stephen will decide to make a video about these too? 😜 Roberto I’ve been meaning to get to them, at some point I certainly will. You’ve got some nice ones! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted February 25 Author Report Share Posted February 25 12 hours ago, stephenb said: Roberto I’ve been meaning to get to them, at some point I certainly will. You’ve got some nice ones! Fantastic, Stephen, great! 👍 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laero21 Posted Wednesday at 09:12 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 09:12 AM Yeah sometimes I mistake my sparklers for masters and my maglites. Very informational post thx I will be referring back to to it prolly more then once lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted Wednesday at 11:15 AM Author Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:15 AM 2 hours ago, laero21 said: Yeah sometimes I mistake my sparklers for masters and my maglites. Very informational post thx I will be referring back to to it prolly more then once lol You're welcome, I appreciate it! It makes me happy and proud to know about the usefulness of this thread 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie Posted Thursday at 12:58 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 12:58 AM (edited) Roberto. Please note the correct name is Wispler. In 2011, on the other forum, the esteemed Canadian collector Roger Browse (browse4antiques) posted that he had named them years prior (from WISPy sparkLER). A "proper" English dictionary did not even contain the word "whispy" at that stage (not sure about now?) I think "whispy" might be the only word in the American language where they have actually added a letter to an English word rather than their usual practice of subtracting one or more letters LOL. I believe that he who comes first retains the naming right. Edited Thursday at 01:18 AM by aussie Added information 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie Posted Thursday at 01:13 AM Report Share Posted Thursday at 01:13 AM Interesting that people often mention the Irene Opaques are less common than the Irene Wisplers. Out here in Australia I have collected 4 or 5 times as many of the opaques as I have of the Wisplers. Unless we were somehow getting beautiful Asians in the 1950s 60s? If that was the case then I don't know who was making or distributing them. Imperial Toy Corporation only started 1969 and distributed Vacors during the 1970s before shifting to Asians in the 1980s. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted Thursday at 11:24 AM Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 11:24 AM 10 hours ago, aussie said: Roberto. Please note the correct name is Wispler. In 2011, on the other forum, the esteemed Canadian collector Roger Browse (browse4antiques) posted that he had named them years prior (from WISPy sparkLER). A "proper" English dictionary did not even contain the word "whispy" at that stage (not sure about now?) I think "whispy" might be the only word in the American language where they have actually added a letter to an English word rather than their usual practice of subtracting one or more letters LOL. I believe that he who comes first retains the naming right. Yes, well.., personally I would also be fine with wispler (without the H), but since the word whispler (with the H) is also used in the United Kingdom, where they are also listed for sale, I will continue to use the latter. That does not take away from the fact that what was said above is correct 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted Thursday at 11:34 AM Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 11:34 AM 10 hours ago, aussie said: Interesting that people often mention the Irene Opaques are less common than the Irene Wisplers. Out here in Australia I have collected 4 or 5 times as many of the opaques as I have of the Wisplers. Unless we were somehow getting beautiful Asians in the 1950s 60s? If that was the case then I don't know who was making or distributing them. Imperial Toy Corporation only started 1969 and distributed Vacors during the 1970s before shifting to Asians in the 1980s. In any case, I have always noticed more transparent w"h"isplers rather than opaque ones...I don't know.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie Posted Thursday at 02:37 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 02:37 PM I don't know who the first person was to mistakenly write "Whispler" probably because they thought it looked like a more "sensible/normal" word than Wispler without knowing the reason behind the name. It just irks me a little the mob in all countries who have just blindly followed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roberto Posted Thursday at 04:51 PM Author Report Share Posted Thursday at 04:51 PM 2 hours ago, aussie said: It just irks me a little the mob in all countries who have just blindly followed. I agree with this. I think you are completely right! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoozer Posted Thursday at 10:46 PM Report Share Posted Thursday at 10:46 PM This has been in my ? File for years at 15/16”. Is it a “wispler? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie Posted yesterday at 12:10 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:10 AM Brown base or clear base? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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