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Just for reference, some plug-ugly Bulgarian ones . . .

Good pic of a ground / faceted one!

I think this is the answer to a lot of our questions -- the only answer we're likely to have, anyway. Unless they're found in their original boxes, who knows? Speaking of that -- nice Cardinal Reds, Alan!

Recently saw an interview with (the astronaut) Commander Chris Hadfield, part of which was about his son convincing him there was a song he (a long-time musician in his spare time) just had to cover . . . So I went back and watched / listened to it again (in this thread, p.10, post 194, thanks Steph). No. No. Better. Cover. Ever.

Dragon or Flaming Dragon, depending on how the majority of collectors define "flaming." Has enough yellow in the orange to be flaming for me, but maybe not for others . . . I have a John Deer that has transparent green ribbons on an opaque yellow base. Don't know if the transparency makes a difference there. I'm still hunting the Ruby Bee I thought I already had until I found out the red had to have aventurine to be "Ruby." Serves me right for concentrating on Pelt slags and assorted whacko Pelt types. Oh well.

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Gee, I dunno, this just seemed to fit here in the cranky category.

And for July?

Thanks Al -- first time I've seen a good picture of a folded pontil.

True. All I have to go on for Peltier is that their known early hand-gathered slags - the Cerises -- don't have the 9-pattern characteristics. Don't think the Prima Agates fall into the slag category, but the few of those I've seen don't either. And, of the few early slags recovered from the Pelt site that I know of, neither do they. Others may have examples, though. Love to see them if they do! And HG CACs of any description are so thin on the ground, I tend to discount that ID almost automatically. My personal opinion -- as applies to me only! -- is that the vast majority of American nine-and-tails are MFC (except red ones), and the random-patterned ones are all Akro, unless something jumps out and hits me on the head that they're not (like, they're still in their original box!). Odds are. Hansel has a noteworthy collection of original boxes. Wonder if he has any observations -- Hansel?

Not necessarily. There were many different, individual gatherers working on any given day. Could you show us the other side? The cut line?

Not always, but it can be. For instance, no red glass has ever been found at the MFC site, so if you find a hand-gathered red slag with a nine-and-tail it's not at all likely to be MFC. Otherwise . . . I don't really know, but I suspect not, since Akro wound up with some of MFC's glass formulas, including their (what we call) oxblood. I wish I could remember where I read this -- maybe someone else (younger and more alert) will -- but it stays in the back of my mind when I'm looking at slags with no distinguishing features . . . that it was possible that when Akro started making their own slags (they sold MFC ones until there were no more) they deliberately avoided the MFC signature nine-and-tail in favor of a random pattern, which would be identified with them, and seem "newer."

Dan's right. When it comes to machine-made slags, they're all Akro EXCEPT: 1. The "feathered" ones, which are Peltier 2. The ones with 1 or 2 seams, which are Christensen #1 Peltier, #2 CAC

Second pic, top right, semi-confidently Alley. Have seen two very like it but with yellow instead of orange. David Chamberlain used to have one of them. Second pic, bottom row middle, also semi-confidently Alley. I have a couple and some cullet with the brown a deeper color.

Here's a nice one. I was much younger then.

I'm gonna have to go and lay down. And now I believe I may know where that red-based hybrid cat I once tried so hard to get wound up . . .

I agree with Steph about the Pelt rainbo -- grayish base with yellow/orange ribbons.

I'd say this second one is also a Nova:

Steph's right about just starting with a few types. Pick out all your corkscrews, for example . . . And keep in mind that many (if not most of us) here are (and will remain) a little clueless about some type or other. A recent confessional thread revealed that pretty much everyone, even long-time collectors, struggled with identifying patches by company. But the fog will gradually clear in many areas -- really!

That's a Nova. In your first picture, the one with all four marbles in it, could we see other views of the first one and second one? Thanks . . .

Another one - - -

It's close. The color should be more India-inky, though . . . a little more to the black-blue side. But the ends of the cork look pretty good - -

OMG. Why did I not know this even existed?? Why?? Why?? OMG.

But it sounds very reasonable, given the evidence on the ground . . .