Steph

I have been invited to post in this thread. Frankly I didn't want to touch it because I know how my presence is likely to be made a distraction from the facts of the case. But here goes:

In answer to an allusion made at MKA last night, I didn't send Edna a list of women who have been badmouthed at MKA in inappropropriately sexual terms. My list would have been different from the one she posted. It would have had names in it of people whom I doubt would want to be mentioned in this thread. Abusive talk toward women is par for the course over there. Yuku usually requires a court order to remove material on bulletin boards, but the material viewable to the public at MKA is so bad that they have acknowledged it doesn't need a court order. Some has been removed. But Yuku's present stand is that each individual has to report the threads targetting themselves. And I don't personally recommend anyone stay there long enough to find all the places they've been attacked. Gary's response was the best. And Galen bringing that over word for word out of context was like someone taking a story told strictly in the men's room and telling it at the dinner table. It used to go without saying that this was wrong. Times have obviously changed.

I don't want to get into a list of all the offenses Galen or anyone has made. I could back my list up better than Galen can. Yes, Galen has a "minion". LOL. And they play immature tag team insult games. It doesn't matter what real points are made. They will just pick the funniest word they think they can get traction with and play it up for all it is worth.

If it doesn't get traction, they'll try again with something else. Throw it out and see what sticks.

If I were going to take apart and laugh out loud at any one thing Galen has said, it would be this refrain of what he has posted at more than one site where he is protected from rebuttal by people who claim to care about free speech but who have banned or failed to approve for posting more people than Lou has.

Galen's gem:

and I am amazed that even here some folks post that I shouldn't post what I do. I just don't get that. And I have to say It would be way too boring if everyone only posted stuff I agree with or wanted to hear. And I have never, and never would say that someone should not post their opinion,, And I have never given anyone a bad time for their opinion(even when I disagree) Isn't that what the forums are for???

At LOM, Galen once deleted a post of mine and threatened to ban me if I ever contradicted him again when he said a set of four marbles were WV swirls and I said I thought they looked like Jabo. He had responded first. I replied 2nd. There was no other response. He deleted my post and locked the thread. The owner of the marbles had to repost the pictures in a new unlocked thread to get an ID. Guess what the ID turned out to be.

That's not the only post of mine he deleted. I just point out that one because it was so funny.

He didn't only delete my posts. He didn't threaten only me with bans and time-outs. And it wasn't just people I knew, so it can't be all hung on my ooooh scarrrrry influence. ROTFLMAO. . . There was one particular occasion where someone had disagreed loudly with Galen and other board members but he'd calmed down and was waiting for evidence to support Galen's claim. And then while I was looking for the evidence, the man was suddenly banned. As I said, he'd calmed down on the board. He had not committed a bannable offense there. My best guess is that Galen sent him one of the letters of the sort Galen regularly sent me for a time telling me that I had better shut up or I'd be out of there. And my best guess is that the man who received his email wasn't able to turn the other cheek the way I was. He probably popped off to Galen in PM and that's probably why he was banned.

Of course I cannot know this, but I do know what Galen said to me in private, and if that man got what I got ....

According to Galen, I should only ask simple questions and only about my own marbles. And according to him, I shouldn't try to help out with ID's "for a few years". By Galen's arbitrary rules I STILL wouldn't be helping with ID's.

Pete had no idea at the time how much deleting and banning and threatening to ban or to give "time outs" was going on. Much less how slanted the application of the threats were. Pete did not know that while some people were being threatened for accurately id-ing Jabos ROFL, "valued" friends could say whatever they wanted no matter how provocative, and a person reporting it was made to feel they had hassled the moderator and the moderator was doing them a favor to ask the friend to back off a little. When it was finally brought to Pete's attention, rules were changed. Why is deletion of board members' posts now against the rules at LOM? Because Galen did so much of it. Why did Pete take over the reins and make himself the only one who was allowed to ban? Because of how Galen had been using that power in the past.

Galen is free to say whatever he wants at MKA, but it ain't all true.

Rumors hurt. And they can snowball into something monstrous and totally unrelated to truth.

Now what can we do about it? Arguing with 'em doesn't seem to be the answer. The snowball makers laugh. Arguing gives 'em little twigs and sharp rocks to put into their growing snowball. It doesn't matter what the truth is. They'll twist it to however they want.

Galen and others will still get backslapped for generosity when they share their happiness over their marble drops in playgrounds. Edna and those on the favored target list will still be called hypocrites for doing the same. A Kodak moment with a grandson turned into fodder for vulgarity. WTF?

And the most hateful thing of all is that Edna got on the target list for standing up to violations of the non-abuse rules of posting at one particular board. Unfortunately the person being abused at that board was #1 on that board's list of approved targets, and Edna had to pay for it. (One guess who favored target #1 is. ;-)

A wise woman once told me:

as medgar evers once said "don't waste your time hating someone, because the person you hate either doesn't know, or doesn't care."

be the person that 'doesn't care.'

It can be hard advice to remember. I slip. But it's some of the best advice I ever received. And it was a godsend at the time. (Thanks lady. :-)

Awesome skills there. That must be wonderful just to hold and gaze at.

A subsurface moon would be a circular impact point that seems to be just below the surface. There's a fracture but no missing glass. The FAQ at Marblealan's site talks about different kinds of damage: http://marblealan.com/FAQ.htm .

Tweezered off? I don't know.

I don't know the answer to this question about diamond paste either. But I want to highlight it again so it won't get lost. :-)

I have all 3 head grinding machines which gives nearly a perfect roundness when finished compared to 2 head machines.

Would the diamond paste use on smaller marbles in restoring them work with my machine methods?

Thank you.

Bob

Nifty. Yes, some people are very sweet.

p.s., Looks like you might have some hot glowers there. Have you zapped that bunch with a blacklight?

It's possible that this is what I was remembering. I sorta thought I should be looking for something a little more recent, with more colors, but maybe this is it. I'm told these are not Pelt either, but maybe that's what I was fuzzily trying to recapture.

p.s., I have one mib which looks like these. Mine is handgathered and brilliantly fluorescent. and almost transparently opalescent.

Hi Bob. That sounds like an interesting question. It'd probably be good to ask it in the main forum. I'm not sure how many people will see it in this thread.

Welcome. -s

I wouldn't have guessed Masters had 'em that much more than corks, DC. There are modern mibs with eyelashes too. Galen has a pretty set on a dish of some sort.

Uh, guys, are these the eyelashes you didn't want to see? Just wanna be clear. :Evil_1:

I've been looking at some 1800's sketches, to see what images artists might have associated with different animals back then.

Mike's is pretty dead on for a boar.

It seems like porcupines were thought to have bushy tops, hanging over their eyes even, not ridges so much. edit: not always bushy-headed lol

Charles' does look sorta like old depictions of a hedgehog, or some longish-legged, big-eared mold adapted to a hedgehog.

lol ... a political porcupine for fun

That's what I figure it is. :-)

Almost all the visible white is in this view. There's a seam just to the right of this pic. The white lines stop abruptly there.

LOL ... yeah, I like the ones with the marble stands. Don't have to worry about their value. just enjoy 'em.

Oxblood? neato!

By the way, was this an invitation? "Old Beat Up Slags"

This one has one particularly good side ...

but it has a built in marble stand on the other side

Looks like it could be a pig's/boar's ear.

Could those be spots instead of spikes? . . . . . . from general preconceptions of the times and the basic shape of the aminal, I'd lean toward boar. but if those were spots my offbeat guess would be hyena.

how about master on yours Mike?

this was an auction pic. i don't recall its provenance

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wow, that one joker looks uncannily like a marble king

Hi there!

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Just a quick note tho' - Alan is someone people send mibs to for IDs so you wouldn't need to tell him a name in advance. I expect he would describe it well in the auction even without a headstart from us.

yah, that was it. :-) their completed listings include an 1870 newspaper with a marbles article. :-) also Charleston Daily News

but how did this one end up in the pre-1970 handmade marbles section?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...em=260429119677

Ooh, very pretty Mike, and thanks for the clarification, Craig.

Thanks Al, those greens look as if they could be a little translucent ...

Are those old stock, Charles? neat stuff.

Thanks everyone! If I find the box which I thought contained something really opal-ly sounding, I'll post that. Right now I just have a foggy sense that I oughta be able to find it. I don't know where though. oh well, I'll find it or I won't.

What do you think the top of this box looked like? Too narrow for a Ringer marble set box, huh? But it does look like a paper box, right? The picture doesn't match the specs of the description below it.

Sorry, I didn't mean to change the subject so abruptly from Ringers. I looked this ad up hoping that it would turn out to be a Ringer box traveling incognito. I didn't do a good enough dimension check before I started posting.

Edit: looking in American Machine-Made Marbles, I guess it might be a stained glass box. yeah .... that looks like the right size for the stained glass examples .... probably no mystery. Unless someone would like to talk about the box in the written description.

p.s. it is my ad now! *happy dance* George Sourlis sent me the scan a little while back but then this last week he surprised me with the replica 1930/1931 Baer catalog from which he scanned it. (Thanks so much, George!)

Neat mibs! Very planetoid!

They are Akros, but it wasn't the name of a marble style.

Ringer Marble Set, I think the box says. A set of marbles for the Ringer game. The official game of the national tournaments. My best guess for the box style puts it at around 1930/1931. I still haven't seen an ad for it though so I don't know. But in that general era, Moss agates were a very likely type of marble to put in the box. It all adds up. Moss corks are a much likelier bet for the average content than popeye variants with one too few colors.

To the best of my understanding

I didn't see your photo when I posted. My brain is too full right now. I'm afraid to say anything. LOL.

(seriously -- My brain just went on strike.)

... but ... wow ... what a sweet and unusual marble ......

Those yellow Ringers in the last Post look suspiciously like the marble in the auction. Without the marble in hand I'd say Ringer variant rather than Popeye variant. Whatcha think?

The choice as I see it for most Ringer contenders is between Moss Agate variant and Popeye variant. (using the popular term Popeye rather than Tri-Onxy)

There wouldn't be a Ringer variant, since to the best of my understanding Akro didn't make a Ringer marble. I can actually think of four marble types where some variation might get them qualified as a Ringer. 1) the Popeyes, of course. 2) the Moss Agates. 3) Spiral Agates with extra amounts of stray white in the base. 4) True Ace Agates with less than the usual amount of white filaments filling the base.

Yes, Jess, there are moss agate corks. Here is a salesman sample box of them, with the price label :-)

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Mike's marble in the auction doesn't seem to have the translucent "moonstone" glass in it, so that's why I thought Popeye/tri-onyx variant over Moss Agate.

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Craig's look like they have the "moonstone" glass so my belief is that Akro made those as moss agates.

I think the ad writers literally meant the moss agate glass looked like moonstone. Like so:

I was thinking popeye variant rather than moss agate because the white and clear are so distinct. Moss agates would have translucent bases. They could have some clear and some white wisps but would have a prominent amount of translucence. What the Akro ads called "moonstone" glass.

in my opinion, and to the best of my understanding.

:-) :-) *hehe* thanks for the smile. :-)

My guess here is that Mike was right in pegging it as some sort of popeye anomaly. Made when one of the colors had run out or not started up yet.

just a guess. :-)