Steph

Jane, hate to bug you ... but you don't really mind this'un making the rounds again, do ya? ...

I don't have any idea what it is called ... or how old it could be ... or nuthin like that ... and I "need" to.

thanks

Thanks Sue (and Lloyd). Here's the info from the listing, including a clarifying (and fascinating) Q&A exchange:

This Item is one of the Infamous CALIFORNIA SULPHIDES. This is Not an Antique German Marble.

The Figure is Carved with Fine Detail. There is a Light Amber Tint to the Base Glass.

The Marble is in Professionally Polished Condition.

The Marble Measures About 1 & 5/16 inches in Diameter.

This Well Known Marble is the One Pictured Above in Paul Baumann's Book: "COLLECTING ANTIQUE MARBLES".

This is the Specific Marble used by ANTIQUE COLLECTORS REPRODUCTION NEWS ACRN in Conducting Scientific Tests to Challenge the Age of These Contemporary Marbles.

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Q: How do you know for sure that this is the one in the book? Thanks, Cyndie Dec-15-06

A: Hello Cyndie, This Marble was given to me by a collector of sulphides. He purchased it thinking it was an antique. I supplied the marble to Mark Chervanka at ACRN for testing. I was part of a group of advanced collectors that played an active part in exposing these marbles as contemporary as opposed to antique. Thank you, Lloyd Huffer

Lloyd, could you (or may we) upload the seahorse pix here, and the info about your research into the background?

Thanks.

Steph

I also was curious about their availability. I didn't ask 'coz it wouldn't be appropriate, 'coz I'm all talk and no buy with marbles right now. But I'm thinking that when I get my first brick, it'd be cool if it were one of Brian's.

But seriously ... have the pix just disappeared from here?

or have they been gone for awhile?

or are they still there and I don't see them. (Stop it Buddy!)

Oh ... okay ... it's old news. That's the 2nd thread involved in the spontaneous combustion Saturday.

I still think he could be covering for someone.

Thanks, Lou. I'll be diligent about not leaving any straggling code in the future.

Now can you explain this one:

A few minutes ago I was inserting an image in another thread. A picture of four cat's eyes. Hosted by photo bucket.

I copied the image name in the usual way (highlight the photobucket web address and "copy" ... you know ... not by hand). And then I "pasted" in the usual way.

It's a .jpg image, and the address ends in .jpg. Okay. That shouldn't need stressing, but instead of just

"http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/leaannd/2-28-07018.jpg"

between the "img" tags, I got this:

"http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e110/leaannd/2-28-07018.jpgOne neuron short of a synapse"

I was so amused and bemused that I copied that into a text file to ponder later. I thought maybe it was some sort of unusual protection feature the image owner was employing to prevent people from linking to her photos. (Like Gutenberg.org does)

I deleted the extra words, checked to make sure the picture link worked, submitted my post, then went on to read more on the board.

The next post I opened up to was one of Buddy's.

And it turns out that "One neuron shot of a synapse" is his new signature line.

Relative to glitches on the board, I think I may be a serial killer ... or Jessica Fletcher. (Any of you ever thought about how incredibly high the murder rate was in Cabot Cove, Maine on Murder She Wrote?)

Anyhow, whether I'm doing it or whether I just happen to be around when it's happening, I've noticed another couple of odd and possibly related occurrences.

Sue, you already know about one of them. In the End Of Cane Cloud ? thread and one other, where the photos were visible to some people, for awhile. Then they disappeared, and in their place were some text strings which looked associated to the attachments but which weren't functional.

I noticed the second yesterday when I went to add a couple of items to my W. I. P. In the Vitro section, the links have been changed to html code, in text form, and no longer function as links. (Same problem in the Champion section, but I didn't register that yesterday.)

I can and will go in and change them back, but I want a moderator to see it first. In case it would be helpful. In case you need to describe the situation to anyone. In case spontaneous post changes become the trend more than the exception.

(has it been a problem in the past?)

Thanks!

Steph

Wow - this thread was started just about a year ago.

It seemed relevant.

You didn't offend me Steph.

I'm glad.

You really do beautiful work ... as if that needed to be said again!

This is a gorgeous marble.

If I were the maker of it, I would not want to put my signature on it. Unless, maybe, if I had a very artistic signature, such as a shamrock.

But not ordinary etching.

That detracts from the work of art which that marble is. In my opinion.

I understand the frustration of new mibs passed off as old.

But should an artist be pressured into something he considers to be defacing his art, especially if the pressure is coming from those who want to protect their vintage investments?

So, how many people have I offended here? Brian Graham and everyone who is in favor of signatures?

I won't post pictures of all the bags (unless some one wants some)

Some pictures?

!!!! ^^^^ !!!!

I know you've posted several pix already in other threads ... and I'll keep looking for 'em all ... but just in case some are still waiting to be photographed and all you need is an invitation .... ....

gracias

Please expound.

(unless you're galen ... )

(if you're galen, please blink once for yes, twice for no. )

thanks everyone!

a name! latticinio!

It shouldn't be so hard for me to figure things out about handmade mibs, esp. with one being named after a geometrical construct (i.e., lattice), but it has been.

I'll file this thread under "latticinio" since it has at least one, and then maybe I'll pull it back up when I'm finally ready to study it carefully.

A nice opportunity to share your love of handmades with a newbie?

In case it isn't clear enough, my question is to more than just JVV.

I know he still sticks his head in from time to time, but I'd be glad to hear from any of you guys who love the handmades.

Those look like they ought to have special names. Do they? Or are they just cool versions of "ordinary" handmades?

Thanks a million!

These look really special. A nice opportunity to share your love of handmades with a newbie?

(Names please! And anything else worth mentioning. Thanks!)

That clears things up.

Lou,

I happened onto the board rules. I'm having a bit of trouble understanding the spirit of the paragraphs regarding copyright.

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http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml

If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this bulletin board.

The first two paragraphs appear to be carefully written and in keeping with the spirit of copyright law throughout the U.S.

The last paragraph is extremely limiting and pretty much says that the first two paragraphs are irrelevant. It appears to be saying that even if board members' selection of copyrighted material is consistent with fair use, and even if special permission has been sought in special circumstances, the board members may not post the material because neither they nor the board itself holds the copyright.

What say you?

Steph

Carole, they look like either Rainbos or even Kokomos, but not older style NLRs from here. I maybe wrong though.

Sami

That's what I was thinking! But the whole kokomo thing is still so fuzzy I didn't know whether I should say anything. Plus, for all I know pelt peewees could have an entirely different ribbon personality from the standard size.

thanks

Awesome box, Dan. In case anyone missed the name on it (and to put it into searchable text form!), the label includes the lines:

(I love that they feel they have to make it clear the marbles are toys!)

I guess Akro used the name "onyx" for the corks because it was a naturally descriptive adjective, not to steal a common marble name and make it their own brand name. No way of knowing for sure, I s'pose.

The gist of what I'm hearing about the term onyx in connection with slags boils down to this: in the 1910's through 1930's if an American schoolkid was shown a slag, and asked what kind of marble it was, he'd say it was an onyx.

does that sound about right?

Fun.

don't suppose there are any identifying marks? mfg, pat., anything?

These are comments found in Bob's recent white slag thread.

I believe I am seeing all slag/onyx marbles here. Could be wrong, certainly have been before. My understanding is a Striped Transparent will have a transparent base glass with an opaque color(s) other than white. If it is only transparent and white, it's a slag.

thanks.

I agree with 1Dans above. I don't think collectors agree on nomenclature, though. I do know 1)that striped transparents seem to always sell for more money than slags and 2) the term "onyx" rarely gets used even though it should be.

Please elaborate on the appropriate usage of the term "onyx" in connection with slags. (I understand it is also the name of an Akro corkscrew.)

Okay ... when I went to double check on the usage of "onyx" in connection with corks, I stumbled onto a partial answer to my question. In addition to confirmation that Onyx was an official corkscrew name, the Akro page at Marblealan.com says this about slags:

Akro Agate slags ("Striped Onyxes") were available in the following colors (in increasing order of rarity): amber, purple, blue, green, red, aqua, clear, vaseline, and orange. The red slags were called Cardinal Reds by the company. Like the slags of other companies, those of Akro were produced by the single-stream method and include a transparent colored based mixed with opaque white glass. One exception is the Cornelian which was produced in the same method as a slag but consists of an opaque red base mixed with opaque white.

(i.e., except in a couple of special cases, Akro Agate slags would have been known as onyxes in their day?)

Next on the MFC page I found this:

Slags were called National Onyx by the company and were available in such colors as amber, purple, blue, green, clear, aqua, yellow, orange, and lavender, in approximate increasing order of rarity. This company did not produce red slags as earlier thought. Very dark blue slags were coined "Royal Blues." Some slags were produced in very large (over 1 1/2") sizes.

Some National Onyxes, which are probably early types, are referred to as "horizontal slags." These are easily recognized, as instead of having a single "nine" swirl the white spirals multiple times around the marble, forming a tight corkscrew pattern. These are valued much more highly than regular slags.

There was one additional type of slag marble produced by M.F. Christensen. These are oxblood slags (possibly called "moss agates" by the company), which have a very dark transparent green base and an oxblood swirl. These are uncommon.

And on the Peltier page:

Peltier slags were called National Onyx by the company and were available in colors of brown, blue, green, aqua, purple, red, and yellow, in approximate increasing order of rarity.

The other reference I find to "onyx" at MarbleAlan.com is on the non-glass handmade marbles page:

.... onyx agates are black, and striped onyx agates have alternating black and white bands.

(so the white bands on the natural onyx marble are the inspiration for the name "onyx" in connection with slags?)

Now, when I thought I almost had it figured out, I'm not finding any reference to "onyx" on Marblelan's CAC page.

What did Christensen call their slags?

Is it known/believed that with a few exceptions such as the Cardinal Reds noted above, the common name for all slags in the early 1900's would have been "onyx"?

If so, was the name supplanted in the minds of the populace by Akro's usage of it in connection with their corkscrews? Or is it your feeling that the shift occurred later?

Thank you very much!

Steph

Are the box and dividers original? (as far as you know?)