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Think the boys may have played cricket with this or it was just chucked at the wall numerous times

2" Found it in the dirt out back of an old home I soaked it in water for a while and still couldnt see inside its got specks of colour on the outer glass and looking in through a little widow of clear i can see blue a couple mm below the surface

presumably way beyond help?

Craig C

We like to work on the rabbit principle down here for every Rabbit you see above ground there a few other sleepers under ground

I will Quote you Hsdesousa

Your carpet ball is very attractive and has a rare, possibly unique design.

And if you consider its age

What other criteria would the museum need

I very much resent you calling me Jeroens pawn ive never had any contact with Jeroen other than what is public viewing on this forum

I will quote you again

The reference I provided above (Erickson and Hunter) does give the date of some similar agateware as 1785, but it also says "...agateware continues to be produced commercially as well as employed in the repertoire of the contemporary studio potter."

Some of your spin to cast doubt on its possible age and originality

You again

(Unless, of course, you know something we don't)

the difference is i have an open mind about this ball and have no vested interest in its monetary value or the players involved

Craig C

Hi Jeroen

Good to hear those guys will take a look, Its certainly an interesting piece and most likely a historically important museum piece as well

Im looking forward to hearing what these guys have to say,

Craig C

There great never seen them before

Hi Bob Thanks

You really should have a poke around those old dumps you have access to its a wonderful pastime

Ive spent the last 4 years digging an Antique bottle collection from the old city tips and you have some nice bottles from your city and region not to mention the wide variety of relics you will find

And your right my marble stand is a tiny old pill bottle

regards Craig C

Managed to find a few more yesterday

Thanks Duffy

Hi ive just given them a rinse under the tap and dried em with an old t shirt

were pretty lucky with the soils here in Town very sandy and well drained not many are frosty some bottles are but i think its more to do with the type glass used by the different manufacturers and whats chemicals are in the tip with them

Managed to dig a few more from the site today thought id show them, there all marbles ive not found before so few new ones for the collection so pretty stoked

Thanks for the comments guys

Ive tried to get a better pic of the first one ive shown in post #3 to give an idea of the poles

the other 2 i have are 3 colour Presumably all the same Co

Was have a look in my damaged marbles tub and seems i have another of these odd 4 colour Marbles

Excellent glad to be able to help out

Lovely Fig 8 Thanks for showing, There all nice but the red & yellow is outstanding

Craig C

Although the principle is the same two opposing steel halfs the codds stopper marble mould was much different to the lead bullet mould it was circular and moulded 16 at a time

Below is a picture showing the moulds , and sprig belonging to John Ault and used for education

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/molly1photo/johns1.jpg

http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u219/molly1photo/007.jpg

the lad to the left is holding what has come out of the mould i believe it is called a sprig the marbles were broken of and the ruff ends were if long manually filed off and then the marbles ground down in the machine below

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9718/fig30uv.jpg

Here is a small part of an article written by Mark Potten Credit to him for the pics and article

The plunger having been released, and the mould opened, the boy seizes the centre of the glass, now cooled to a semi-liquid, and runs off with it to the annealing oven, where he knocks the marbles off into a large iron box, to hold, say, 100 gross, sufficient for a day's work. They are there left to anneal thoroughly, and are then cooled gradually and taken to the grinding-room where they are carefully sorted, and those that have been broken off with pieces, too long for grinding are chipped first.
The best way to do this is with a file having a countersunk hole in it, into which the “get” or burr of the marble is placed, a small half-round file being used as a chopper. The marbles are then ready for grinding, which process is best accomplished by the use of Mr. Wickham’s grinding apparatus. This consists of a grindstone, working horizontally on a vertical shaft. The stone is placed and made fast to an iron table, and an iron bar is laid across the top, which keeps the surface smooth. Four boys can work at one grinding machine each being able to grind, with the use of the Wooden holders supplied by Mr.Wickham, about two gross an hour.
Water of course is used, and the waste is allowed to pass off through the curved pipe shown under the grindstone. When the burr is ground quite smooth and even with the rest of the marble the operation is completed. The counting is accomplished by an ingenious shovel with twelve grooves, each groove being made to hold a dozen marbles so that every time the shovel is used in counting one gross is scored They are then sent in boxes or casks to their destination. “

Hope this is of some interest and adds to the thread Presumably your marbles could have been made like this in large numbers

Craig C

Thank you for your comments Winnie

4 pictures of the same marble

Yes it is a short straight line

Yes Steph its the same Red Transitional im pretty sure its a " line pontil ", same with the blue one

http://members.kingston.net/browse/transpics/trans2.html

I do have an example of a Japanese pinch pontil

Had a look and think this is the proper Fig 8 you described

Yes the Reflections Due to popular demand have decided to bring my photo operation back inside

Thanks for the reply Steph I reckon you might be onto something in regards to the wire pull Winnie has posted some beautiful similar mibs

Hear is a pick of the " Fig 8 " ? the couple like this ive found before have only had the 3 colours

The as made`s The Crease and cold rolls

The crease on the red

Craig C

Hi Guys

havent had any spare time leading up to christmas have had a pretty big job on so no hunting around for me so pretty thankful for the Christmas break and the chance to go have a look around so headed of up to the city bright and early this morning took me a couple hours to find a suitable site but finally found an old place set for demolition

Pretty happy with my finds and thought id share

pics are pretty average i wasn't that good before and now im a bit out of practice



Few ive not found before and condition is real good for a change



German wire pull i think







What about the the as made`s on this character









This one here is a crack up the whole marble is twisted



hope crissy is going well no looking for Mibs tomorrow taking the daughter fishing with her new fishing rod

Cheers Craig C

Apparently this is the distributer in Ohio

shows xxxx

http://www.micromatic.com/beer-distributor/oh/akron/tramonte-distributing-co.-bdid-1148.html

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=1267+S.+Main+St.,+Akron,+OH+44301&oi=map

Yeah they are pretty heavy alright Bob we have a few nice local coloured ones down here in the west blues peach amethyst there well supported as a category and the rare one`s get up there in value

Only got the one on file belongs to one of our club members the company is local to me if i remember right its the only one known that is sun coloured

As for the can of dish water ive never tried it mostly on principle as its from Queensland and im not! We have a pretty fierce interstate rivalry down here which includes sport beer which state has the best drivers or Antique bottles the list goes on and on ill give you an example i m from sth Australia and for a while i went to live in New South Wales which is the state up and to the right so i was from down south so any time i turned up any were id hear

ahhhhhhhh the mexican peasant is here, mexican because i was from down south Peasant cause i drove a Chrysler which was considered inferior as it wasn't a Ford or Holden

All jokes aside i dont really drink to much these days but if im in the mood its wild turkey or jack daniels beer gives me a head ache

Craig C

You have some nice bottle`s and go withs Kbobam thanks for showing them I like the seltzer syphon pretty cool trade mark for a fizzy drink " a real kick in the glass "

Craig C

Hi Jeroen

Ive found nothing about this item myself and ive asked some English collectors on another forum and they agree its probably a carpet ball also one of the guys posted on the other page " Quote " The largest carpet bowl collection in the UK, in the York Castle Museum, has examples of these types of 'marbles' and they are called agateware.

Maybe contact the Museum and if they are interested send them the picture

http://www.yorkcastlemuseum.org.uk/Page/Contact.aspx

Craig

Nice stuff Paul love the picture of young Alex with his Whiskey flask what an amazing find Guess you guys would have been over the moon to dig a complete flask I wouldnt have thought it would have been an all to common bottle to dig

Great looking jars also you guys are blessed with some wonderful colours over there love the amber immersers

Best wishes thanks for showing

Craig C

Merry christmas to ya Bocci