Hand made pee-wee's

[Tommy]

On 10/18/2020 at 1:09 AM, Chad G. said:

 I tend to believe these small marbles where made for the board in the first place. 99 % of these banded lutz mibs where made between 1880 and 1910,I do a general dating of my Germans by the pontils , i.e. a melted pigtail on one end and an unfinished pontil on the other end or both ends unfinished = ( 1880-1910 ), one faceted end and the other unfinished or melted = ( 1850-1880 ) not 100 % correct all the time but close. Between 1880 and 1910  many of the hand made where being produced for the "English game board mkt." , probably a link between the two somewhere?? " Which came first the chicken or the egg" I'm sure someone knows, I'm just going by the general production date of the marble and what the mkt. was @ the time.  The "so called English gameboard marbles " where still being made in Germany but being made for the game boards. A general reduction in size and brighter colors also marked the change on top of the "unfinished pontils" like Steph's banded lutzes. These boards are so small you couldn't fit anything much bigger than a pee-wee on it, 5 x 6 inches is pretty small, 32, 5/8ths mibs wouldn't even fit on the board. The history of the solitaire board is extensive, I spent a couple hours researching.

 

The way I understand the board was here way before the German pee-wees, pegs first then clays then finally glass.

Cool info Chad.  Here are a some small ones  .49 .52 .54 

When are they not pee wee. 5/8  ?  

Not so versed on handmade but what do ya call the green one.

[Chad G.]

Coreless swirl, bottom center, a fairly good one though, not so common green aqua color $10.00 _ $12.00 : the yellow "damaged latt" (top R )$2-$3.00 if your get anything :  & the peewee( top L ) another coreless, near a josephs coat type if it's clean like it looks another $10 - $12.00. A true peewee by definition must be 1/2" - .50" or less, anything over 1/2" or .50" is "not a peewee"  Just my personal opinions on the prices but I would consider them to be correct & very "generous" On a personal note, I would give you $5.00 apiece for the swirls & wouldn't even consider buying the yellow latt. There are handmade peewee's worth significantly more clambroths, lutzes, gooseberry's, true Joseph coats all these in 9.7-9.8 wet condition will fetch between $75.00 and $150.00 each, the gooseberry's & clambroth's considering the rarer colors will fetch even more.

A few pics for I.D. purpose for ya, from my friend Terry's mibs, I have a peewee collection but easier to use his enlarged pics for I.D. purposes

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Joseph Coat, peewee's, a josephs coat "always" has gaps between the colors giving a view of the interior of the mib

0.498"

Another Josephs coat, 0.493"

Josephs coat, great example, classic, .50" exactly

Onionskin peewee, similar to a josephs coat but with a solid under layer or color ( usually white or yellow ) completely surrounding a clear marble

on top of which are bands, streaks, or spots of color, some onions do have an underlying core.

.446" onionskin peewee

another onionskin

Latticinio .476"

Yellow latticinio just over peewee @ .52"

Banded solid core peewee

this is mine, .47" faceted, dyed bulls eye agate

Divided ribbon core .486"

Three stage solid core peewee, .473" A solid core of any color or combination of colors with two more "separate" layers of colored ribbons or stripes.

 

[Tommy]

Thanks Chad. Awesome pics i like under 1/2 in for pee wee makes sense. And these were made early 1900s super cool .

11 hours ago, Chad G. said:

Coreless swirl, bottom center, a fairly good one though, not so common green aqua color $10.00 _ $12.00 : the yellow "damaged latt" (top R )$2-$3.00 if your get anything :  & the peewee( top L ) another coreless, near a josephs coat type if it's clean like it looks another $10 - $12.00. A true peewee by definition must be 1/2" - .50" or less, anything over 1/2" or .50" is "not a peewee"  Just my personal opinions on the prices but I would consider them to be correct & very "generous" On a personal note, I would give you $5.00 apiece for the swirls & wouldn't even consider buying the yellow latt. There are handmade peewee's worth significantly more clambroths, lutzes, gooseberry's, true Joseph coats all these in 9.7-9.8 wet condition will fetch between $75.00 and $150.00 each, the gooseberry's & clambroth's considering the rarer colors will fetch even more.

A few pics for I.D. purpose for ya, from my friend Terry's mibs, I have a peewee collection but easier to use his enlarged pics for I.D. purposes

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Joseph Coat, peewee's, a josephs coat "always" has gaps between the colors giving a view of the interior of the mib

0.498"

Another Josephs coat, 0.493"

Josephs coat, great example, classic, .50" exactly

Onionskin peewee, similar to a josephs coat but with a solid under layer or color ( usually white or yellow ) completely surrounding a clear marble

on top of which are bands, streaks, or spots of color, some onions do have an underlying core.

.446" onionskin peewee

another onionskin

Latticinio .476"

Yellow latticinio just over peewee @ .52"

Banded solid core peewee

this is mine, .47" faceted, dyed bulls eye agate

Divided ribbon core .486"

Three stage solid core peewee, .473" A solid core of any color or combination of colors with two more "separate" layers of colored ribbons or stripes.

 

 

[Chad G.]

43 minutes ago, Tommy said:

Thanks Chad. Awesome pics i like under 1/2 in for pee wee makes sense. And these were made early 1900s super cool .

 

Most hand made peewee's  where made between 1880 to 1910  for the English gameboard market, German made for the English market, during the Victorian era. A few peewees where made between 1850 & 1880 and some of these show a faceted pontil on one end as an indicator of estimated production dates. The newer gameboard mibs sported brighter colors & two unfinished ends, they weren't for game play but for the game boards. These handmades where all discontinued in the very early 1900's the transitional's stepped in and between 1910 & 1915 all mibs where 99% machine-made. I'm not exact. on the dates because some came a little earlier & some a little later, but within a year or two either way. If you noticed not one of the peewee's I showed had a faceted pontil, most unfinished & rough, I have a few that are unfinished on one end and a melted pigtail on the other, as shown on one or two in the pix, looking like the larger ones made for game play. Don't ask me why, they're so small there's no way you could shoot them in a game of mibs. After you've seen a few thousand you can almost tell with 95% or better certainty when they where made just by looking at the colors & the  glass.