Japanese wire pull?

[davesnothere]

I believe this is a Duck family (Seike) wirepull .

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ric]

I think the glass on yours looks seedier than the ones Aiko posted here. The striping stream is a bit different too, I think. These look more like thinner Veligglas to me.

[shiroaiko]

Thanks, Dave! I feel that would be one too. The fine thread of intricate wiggles and the big bubble would point in that direction.
Identifying exactly what’s Seike is still really difficult. The world would be simple if there were only one maker, but there were at least three for Euro swirls. We really need more originals— Bolitas Japonesas, Fairylite pieces, “foreign”-marked ones, and pre-war examples, to compare with other maker's. 

[davesnothere]

Thanks Aiko it does help me sort these a bit more separating wire pulls is similar to pulling teeth.

Original packaging here in Canada none existant,  small markets tended not to have much inventory , it's my reasoning why I can't find any NOS toys here.

[davesnothere]

1 hour ago, Ric said:

I think the glass on yours looks seedier than the ones Aiko posted here. The striping stream is a bit different too, I think. These look more like thinner Veligglas to me.

I find the Veliglass to have secondary colors and less busy but you could be right.

[shiroaiko]

@Ric @davesnothere Fibrous wiggles make me think they are Seike's... 

Below was my answer when I had an inquiry from @YasudaCollector some time ago. 

And also two of the local finds which also have that trait. 

 

[davesnothere]

@shiroaiko Good information,  I'll be using it for a while as reference. 

I have the green one here in a big shooter , it really shows the fibrous matrix.

[akroorka]

6 hours ago, davesnothere said:

I believe this is a Duck family (Seike) wirepull .

 

Generally, in a wire pull, the color is traceable from one end to the other end inside of the marble.
You can try this on yours Dave but in the end---- I think that these should be considered swirls----or slags maybe.

Nice marble!!---the OP for sure. ( I love the big bubble👀).
Marble—On!!
 

[davesnothere]

On 4/22/2025 at 3:24 PM, akroorka said:

Generally, in a wire pull, the color is traceable from one end to the other end inside of the marble.
You can try this on yours Dave but in the end---- I think that these should be considered swirls----or slags maybe.

Nice marble!!---the OP for sure. ( I love the big bubble👀).
Marble—On!!
 

Pretty sure it is one stream. Here's a few more do these fit the description or something else

 

 

[davesnothere]

@shiroaiko do some of these look  familar? 

 

[Ric]

8 hours ago, shiroaiko said:

Fibrous wiggles make me think they are Seike's... 

Below was my answer when I had an inquiry . . .

I had not seen these photos before, Aiko. @davesnothere 's marble looks much more similar to some of these than to the bolitas or other wirepulls in your other post.

[Ric]

2 hours ago, davesnothere said:

. . . do some of these look  familar?

That's the thing about transparent swirls - they look so good together in a big group!

I'd like to see a smaller group photo of everything that's 9/16" or less.

🙂

[davesnothere]

2 hours ago, Ric said:

That's the thing about transparent swirls - they look so good together in a big group!

I'd like to see a smaller group photo of everything that's 9/16" or less.

🙂

Tomorrow 

[shiroaiko]

@Ric That is a good idea.😃 @davesnothere I also look forward to the photos. 🫧✨

@akroorka when I use the term wirepull, I meant swirls that were thought to be made in Europe. 

I didn't know the definition until recently, til I read wvron's post giving the explanation.  

 

I closely looked at the photo of Dave's, enlarging it to the maximum.

My overall impression is that the group has many swirls/wirepulls with wispy striations.

 

To compare, I joined two photos. Roberto's bolitas japonesas box is on the left and Dave's wirepulls are on the right.

We see two swirls in light tan in the original box and one in Dave's. 

Below are individual photos Roberto shared with me.

They are great closeups. Have fun looking at the details. 

 

 

Here's another set of photos. This time Dave's marbles are on the left. 

Please look at the hiding marble that I circled in pink. My eyes kind of attracted to the one.  

It has a little bit of blue mixed in white.

You see this kind in a smaller bolitas japonesas box which holds only 9 marbles.

Again, the image is from Roberto. He couldn't remember which source he found it.

 

 

FYI below are some original boxes of Seike's which have "foreign" country of origin. 

I started a thread titled "Seike's 1936 Wirepull Invention" at another marble forum in 2022, where I did line-to-line translation of his utility model right.

All the photos were contributions of @Nantucketdink there.

These boxes are probably well-known to the people who are interested in wirepulls.

Some part of the consensus of Veiligglas wirepulls has been made around these boxes.

Now it is time to study these marbles one by one. 

 

At the end I share 3 marble photos from wvron.

Back then he was the owner of the bolitas japonesas box.

Marbles look a bit different when the photographer is different. 😃

 

 

 

 

 

[davesnothere]

@Ric Some of the better 9/16" . Couple a little over

@shiroaiko

Keep in mind I've sorted most of these as RWs. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Ric]

@shiroaiko This is very interesting. You think my box is full of Seike's marbles?

I always thought these were Veiligglas.  Do you know which companies' marbles Cowan de Groot (CODEG) packaged? de Groot is a Dutch name so it's not a stretch to think they could have package Dutch marbles, although I assume they could have packaged marbles from a variety of sources.

Edited 14 hours ago by Ric
I directed the message to shiroaiko because I was surprised to see my box turn up here.

[davesnothere]

@Ric another just under 9/16

 

 

 

[davesnothere]

@shiroaiko 

 

 

 

[Ric]

4 hours ago, davesnothere said:

@Ric Some of the better 9/16" . Couple a little over

@shiroaiko

Keep in mind I've sorted most of these as RWs.

Thanks a lot for taking the time to do this, Dave. I was mostly interested to see if there were any that might convince me they were Ravenswood. I do see two transparent swirls that look more RW to me than the others. But I am usually cautious with IDs. I would much rather have an unidentified marble than a misidentified marble. So while some of these transparent ones could be Ravenswood, I don't feel strongly enough about any of them to insist they are Ravenswood.

Bottom line, I am conservative with IDs so you can imagine, I have a ton of transparent swirls that have yet to be fully identified. A lot of times, I might have a stronger opinion about what company did not make the marble than I do about which company actually did. This is just who I am, so assigning marbles to companies I am just beginning to learn about is not an easy exercise for me - I'll need enough evidence to make me comfortable.

🙂

[Ric]

2 hours ago, davesnothere said:

I'm starting to think the euro marbles may not be so european. 

I hear you, Dave. It's great to finally be learning about marbles made in other countries and about how their marbles were marketed and distributed. And it sure leads you to new questions. But I always try to be aware that just because I have a new "hammer" everything does not suddenly become a "nail".

In your 1st photo, I would probably identify 3/5 as American made. I think the top center and bottom marbles might be foreign.

🙂

[davesnothere]

@Ric I like discussing any early  marbles it brings me 😊 

 

[Ric]

16 minutes ago, davesnothere said:

I have so many oddball swirls from the same batch that always seem to cause a lot of discussion

And discussion is good. But it's important to keep in mind that these are random swirls, which makes them very tough to ID definitively, especially because outliers from various companies can look essentially identical. It's those sorts of cases where I just tell myself it's okay to have an unidentified marble, and worry more about the ones I have a better chance to ID definitively.

[davesnothere]

19 hours ago, Ric said:

 

I'd like to see a smaller group photo of everything that's 9/16" or less.

🙂

You did ask for 9/6" is this not the place to discuss these as well.

I'm happy my op was what I thought, sorry if I sound bitter but I feel a bit of censorship in your last replies, you felt OK with putting up a box of probable veliglass and discussing that in my ID thread, but when I do it you want me to back off??

Dazed and confused 😕 

 

[akroorka]

9 minutes ago, davesnothere said:

Dazed and confused 😕 

 

Lets slow this thread down a bit and ask @Mojo for some opinions here.

Lets all back off for a bit and get our bearings.

(this one is getting heated mojo--rescue us all🙃)

He will always be my go-to regarding Dutch marbles/Wirepulls vs any other collector that I know of.

Take a deep breath and wait for an opinion from Mojo😇.

I love a great discussion--a discussion that is getting to the point of an argument is not a great thing here at "TheMarbleConnection".

I just love the passion here but I have to keep it in check a bit as a Moderator.

Please do not respond to this post--just take a step back and reconsider what has been said so far.

I see no reason for discontent here in this thread.

As Always---

Marble--On!!

[Ric]

1 hour ago, davesnothere said:

You did ask for 9/6" is this not the place to discuss these as well.

I'm happy my op was what I thought, sorry if I sound bitter but I feel a bit of censorship in your last replies, you felt OK with putting up a box of probable veliglass and discussing that in my ID thread, but when I do it you want me to back off??

Dazed and confused 😕 

 

I certainly didn't intend things to sound this way, Dave. I'm enjoying the discussion too. I never plan to quit trying to identify marbles, especially the ones made by companies I I don't know much about. You feel free to post here and ask whatever you like. I love to talk marbles and I'm happy to give whatever useful opinion I can.