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I just found this old book for sale on Amazon...pretty neat... "Consuming passions: The art of food and drink : the Cleveland Museum of Art, July 26-October 9, 1983, Kenneth C. Beck Center for the Cultural Arts, December ... the Beachwood Museum, March 3-April 15, 1984 - Paperback (1983) by Ann C Boger 2 used from $279.07"

I have read the book too. I am glad I did. I have no dog in the hunt, but you might all be very interested to find out what Ralph has to say about guineas. His Fiedler time line seems well researched. The book gives Galen among others a credit so it must be worth reading. This is my complete review for this thread.

The middle piece was made as you see it and they are called tiles. I know Boyce made them somewhere, but I don't know more than that. David McCullough taught Fenton how to make them last year and they now have them made off shore. David's look like his swirls.

Every marble can show to four "optical"/ visible seams. They are all there on every marble. They are where the glass begins, where it ends and two possible "cutter" seams. Often the beginning and end of the glass "seams" can be seen in the marble. Sometimes one can be seen sometimes both, and sometimes it is hard to figure out. The "cutter" seams" are sometimes visible and sometimes not. In the case of this Pelt "confetti", I see no visible seams. I agree with Ann, but have not put the black light to it to see what she saw. Her eyes, as a collector and as an art historian are very accurate. So, yes there are seams, but they are not visible to my eyes and I cannot feel them with my fingernail.

My computer is a mess and that is why I did not crop the pics. The pics are taken from about 2" and should blow to huge.

Amen Chucky!

no seams...3/4 ish...this would not have had a seam since the frit appears to be added to a clearie.

Both Galen and Mike don't think this mib is Pelt. Galen proposed that this thread was stirring the pot or a ruse to sell a marble. "Thanks Mike, Sounds like a typical marble story. One someone would use if they wanted to get a decent price for a marble at a show." Galen post #18 "I hope this was more than a stir the pot hit and run post." Galen post #16 I made it very clear that I do not own the mib so can't sell it, nor would I if I were lucky enough to own it. I would buy it if it was for sale. I made it very clear that I recognized neither the base color or the fritt as Pelt. Thankfully, Art posted the provenance. What I think this thread shows that at this point is that no one can PROVE who made this mib. More importantly, this mib and thread show that to "open the door" of knowledge of Pelt a little wider, we must accept Art's provenance. Why? Simply because it would be awfully hard to make up this story. Statistically, in my mind, there is a higher probability that the story is true than that it is false. I would also add that there is another piece of "evidence" that Art didn't tell that strengthens his provenance. additionally, two other people have told of their positive dealings with the man from whom Art got the marble. My conclusions are simple. Because we are slowly learning to rethink what we know about different makers and their experiments, we should give this marble a chance. If proven that it isn't Pelt, we will all know enough to be leery of this sort of "Pelt" in the future. If it proves to be the real deal, then it is another jewel in the crown of Sellers Peltier as a marble maker. "Chance favors the prepared mind." Pasteur

I do not own this marble,but it was sent to me to see. I know the provenance and I think that you, Galen and Bill, will respect it when you hear it in detail from the gentleman who it was GIVEN to. It now belongs to its third owner. Marlow Peterson often talks about "opening the door a little wider" to expand marble knowledge. That info may not be complete, but it is a start of a new chapter of info.I accept as it is right now,moving knowledge ahead of yesterday's info. I do not recognize the base color as Pelt.The frit colors look German to me. Every fiber of my body says German or Mexican, but the provenance is very strong so until proven otherwise I will go with Pelt. Statistically, it would be suicide to do otherwise from my perspective. This is not the first Pelt confetti I have seen. Sellers Peltier experimented all the time. He was a master. It matters not what we think about what was read coming from a safe in this case. The stuff from the safe proves a particular point and that point would generally be what a particular document is about. Like the thread where I talked about marble collecting ultimately being tactile and got jumped,I will send you back this year when there were two Pelt threads running at the same time. While those ran, two of us talked almost daily about things pictured that were very rare. No one said anything. We said nothing and watched to see who saw what. If you go back to the one about baseballs and look carefully,you will see a common white Champion Jr with confetti. The hunt has been on ever since. If the original "giftee" of this mib chooses to post, fine. If not,then we know what we know so far, no more, no less. We will just have to wait for more info. The JABO experience is part of this too. Time spent watching while marbles are being made adds to the understanding of the process that McCullough uses and what those before him might have done. We now know for sure that Pelt, Vitro, Vitro Anacordes, the Chinese (for HOM), Mexicans, MK, and JABO at least made some experimental confettis.

Bingo Billy! That is the one.

I think that the goal of this and all boards is to learn the facts-the truth. I have noticed many posts in this thread have been edited once the facts were presented. Every post on this board is part of marble history. I think, therefore, that it is better to have the truth rather than fiction. Facts are not childish.

It was traditionly done by putting the stone in a jig under a waterfall. It took about "3 moons " (about 3 months) to make one. If you were lucky, the rains /flooding didn't come and wash the stone and the jig away.

This post has edited and corrected.Thank you. I only saw Rondell at the Dome where I played with him. I did not see him at Rolley Hole or at the other marble yards during the week. here is a picture of Rondell watching me shoot.

Paul Moore invited me to play "big Marbles" at Malcolm's. I asked if I could bring Edna and was told it was OK. So I brought her to Malcolm's. Malcolm showed me a pump on his bench and asked if I knew what is was. I told him it was not electric and was some sort of a vacuum pump. He told me it was a water pump and took a group of us to see this pumps twin in action. The pump pumps the water 200 yards to the mill stone.

The wheel you see is rubber. It spins and spins the rock in a stone jig which is inside the tube. The jig you don't see is what is rounding the stone.

Actually, there has been talk of signing stone marbles so that the makers get credit. If memory serves,there are 7 or 8 people who make them for playing on the Tenn/Ken border.I am sure there are others in other parts of the country. I didn't pay much attention at the time so I don't remember what they decided about signing.

Sorry! Sometimes I wonder about your memory, but this wasn't one of those times.I had to call and find out Mike DeGruy's first name. I am just trying to fill in the pieces so the story is more accurate. Please make any corrections on what I wrote so that it is correct.

That is Rondell Biggersstaff on the front cover. He is the first person I met at the Monroe County Super Dome. Chris King and I played my first game of Rolley Hole (ever) against Rondell and his partner. Chris was the 2009 champion and a real southern gentleman. I did not see Darren at Rolley Hole because he had to work at his marina those days. I did, however, go to his marina one afternoon and he taught us how to play Cherokee. Beginers dumb luck and I beat him! He wanted a rematch, but I wouldn't play him again because I knew I'd never get that lucky again. Darren writes very well and has published a few books about the area,fishing, this book, and novels. He also showed me how to build a "portable" Tennesse square yard. He also has invented an indoor version of Tennesee Square which is played on pool tables...very fun. He wrote a neat little booklet about how to play this game. If you buy and read this book,you will learn about Bud Garrett. Although unknown by most marble collectors, he was a very important marble maker. When he died, his marble makking stuff went to the State of Tennessee's museum and I was also told some things went to the Smithsonian. You can order his books from him ([email protected]) or on eBay. I also have a few copies.

Hank and Mike and Wink.

That picture is of Larry and Russell playing my partner Mike Ledbetter and me in the first round. Both are fine gentlemen who have won a few times. They were gracious and easy on us so we lasted about 25 minutes! The picture shows the scoreboard early in the match. It looked even worse later...http://

Tennessee Square is generally shot with a shooter that is around 7/8" to an 1". the reason is that the object marbles are about an 1 & 1/2", very heavy hard to move when hit. The good shooters don't generally try to knock the center object ball out of play unless they are close to it. I hit it one time and it hardly moved one revolution. Rolley Hole is usually shot with shooters around 3/4". Some use large and some smaller depending on preference. The shooter Paul Davis made for me is .747" and round to .001".

I was happy to invite Edna to come to Rolley Hole and stay with us in our cabin. I also took to all the events that week that I had been invited to got to and play the games. Jeff's partner carried him to the winner's circle last year, but he will be hard pressed to find another partner that good who can help him repeat. In that film strip are many folks like Molly playing playing Rolley Hole with Paul Davis as her partner. There are couple of good pics of Hank Degruy and his son Mike shooting and standing together.Jack "Bud Garrett" Tinsley, Chris King (2009 winner, Buck Houchens (Paul Moore's son-in-law)and others. The tournament is a small traditional tourney geared to local professional players. It probably won't get any larger because they would have to announce the draw earlier, and would need more days and marble yards so it will end early on Saturday evening rather than run late into the night. Paul Moore had asked me to play Tennesse Square as his partner. He carried me into the second round. I wrote a memorial piece after he died that was the whole front page of the Glasow newspaper. He was a wonderful man who fought cancer to the end. he made me a few regular stone mibs 3/4", a few bigger ones for shooting Tennesse Square, and a set of object marbles for Tennessee square. Paul Moore's marbles are made from the stones of a very famous stream. A museum down there did a photo display of Paul's marble making. He gave it to me and it is a treasure.I was very complimented. This display will eventually be given to Notre Dame and go into there sports and games research area. I spent an afternoon with Paul Davis and took lots of pics of his marble making techniques.It was fascinating. Cathy Runyan has attended and volunteered at this tourney for years.She helps kids learn all kinds of marble things and plays marbles too. She was a great cheer leader all weekend. I invited Joe Schlemmer to come and make marbles and boy did he. Gerald Witcher sold mibs. Jim Storsberg sold mibs and played in the Georgia square tourney. Gerald Witcher sold marbles. Last,but not least I invited Everett Grist to come and sell marbles. He came and everyone enjoyed meeting him. He was surrounded all day. It was his last marble show. the picture below is of a plaque I received for helping to promote Rolley Hole. Don't miss this event.

Great post! It is about time someone said it out loud. Thank you.

Back row center looks very familiar to me. I think one was gifted to me when crawling around one Dec. Thank you for the Alley.