ann

Yep.

Me too.

He wasn't at Peltier in the Peerless Patch era. But construction-wise, it's a patch, not a swirl. To my eye, anyhow.

Guess you haven't seen much of several David-era JABO runs that included deliberately-made oxblood. So I guess there must be some you don't know anything about. I can't imagine! You might want to read the long oxblood discussion in one of Steve Sturtz' JABO books. If you can be impartial. Some good information there. Don't think gold aventurine glass (goldstone) "found its way into" anything, given that in the first half of the 20th century it mostly had to be imported from Italy and therefore wasn't thrown around a lot with little regard to what it fell into. But of course I could be wrong. But then there's that nice chunk of gold aventurine Ron found at one of the Alley sites. Guess it must have just fallen off of a truck there sometime in the '30s or '40s. I wouldn't doubt that the aqua/green-glass-oxblood pairing was initially accidental, but I don't see how you can say it was never deliberate -- or that interested companies, like Alley, didn't attempt to recreate the effect after it was noticed. Especially when you look at some of the many, many examples of aqua/green & oxblood marbles produced . . . Just sayin.'

Niiice one Dan!

I'm still snickering, mon!

That's what I was thinking too. One of the Blush Line marbles . . .

Thanks, Dave -- the great pics show the difference really well!

And . . .

Another Bump Time. Got a few new ones recently. Could only copy the photos of a couple, but . . .

I'm going with Steph.

dave -- while you're here . . . could you clarify for me something I've recently gotten conflicting info on? The distinction between a Ruby Slipper and a Cherry Bomb?

Well, I'm happy. Thanks, John!

Well . . . sadly, I'd be more excited about it if it were mine

Yep. And Brian Graham.

I have those too . . .

I hate fennel. And all of its related tastes -- anise, licorice, Sambuca . . . all have the unfortunate trait of setting off my gag reflex. Fennel at your peril, kbobam . . . shudder

Sure that's not a moss agate?

Going back to Henry Hellmers' batch book, Akro had seven formulas for what we call oxblood, all stolen from M. F. Christensen and brought to Akro by Horace C. Hill. Six have 6 ingredients, beginning with sand, and the other 5 (soda, limestone, litharge, red iron oxide, and brass dust) vary a little by amounts from formula to formula. Some have Hellmers' notations like "good color," "best so far," or "red glass but metal specked." The 7th formula has 9 ingredients, adding zinc oxide, red copper oxide, and borax. The notation is "best made and last under Hill." But as has been suggested up there ^^^ and elsewhere, you don't have to be trying to make oxblood to get it. And conversely, you can try to make it and fail. You can stumble into oxblood using cupric (copper) oxide, among other things. And out of it any number of ways. A kind of "Goldilocks" (just right) color. It's definitely a little tricky. Personally, I guess I think of MFC and Akro as the "classic" oxbloods, but I don't think of them as the only "real" ones. After all, MFC bought its formulas from J. H. Leighton, and most people wouldn't deny that some of those nice early German ground-pontil marbles have oxblood too. I have one myself. Just one, though sigh. Alley & others either had it or had something very like it, perhaps accidentally at first and then later by design, with varying degrees of success. I have a couple of Pelts that have it. At any rate, I think it's oxblood whether intentional or accidental, and there are more ways then one to make it. JMO.

I know. I just recently got all mine out for a fondle, and found myself smiling . . .

Cute. I like it. Ain't got nothin' else.

This is what I've been thinking of as "orange peel." And what I sort-of-instinctually thought caused it. Didn't know different people had different definitions of orange peel. All interesting!

No, sure didn't. Doesn't mean I won't look again, just in case . . .

I believe those two are still thought to be Ravenswood -- but not considered "Corals." Personally, I consider the colors too far off. Because of that, I never even connected them to "The Corals" until this thread, and was surprised to see them considered in the group. Then I went through the whole " . . . oh . . . well OK, I guess I could see that . . . didn't realize other people thought they were related . . . hmmm . . . I think they're kinda ugly . . . no no no musn't think that . . . I'm old, I can't deal, I'm set in my color ways, they ain't goin' with MY corals . . ." But that's just me. But I also think that the Coral Guys (who knew there were Coral Guys?) don't think of them as corals, either, from what they've said up ^^^ there. Makes me wish I had gone on that coral run I contemplated a couple of years ago. Decided to just sit on the six or seven I had and pay attention.