Steph

My argument is basically that if the maker of the marbles is well-known we shouldn't call them Imperial.  At least not if we find them loose, without being in an Imperial pacakge.

Most of the marbles that we are calling Imperial probably didn't even have the Imperial company's help getting to their destination.  But we call them Imperial because that's one well-known distributor's name that it's handy to use because we don't know who actually made the marbles.

So when we do know who made the marbles -- whether Vitro or Marble King or Vacor -- we call the marbles by the manufacturer's name and then comment on how cool it is that we can find them in Imperial packaging as well as in the better known avenues of distribution.  At least that's the custom I expect.  

Expanding the Imperial name to cover a plurality of modern Asian marbles was already a stretch.  To now extend the name Imperial to Vacor with or without Imperial packaging attached ... this seems to me to be an unfortunate extension of a name which was already a misnomer.  

But beyond that argument, I have a person who just doesn't believe me that Vitros were ever in Imperial packaging at all, so that's my first step here.   

I think Imperial.  

A modern Asian marble.  Possibly made in the 2000's.  Possibly a little earlier. 

4 hours ago, William said:

July 28th, 2018, "Imperial Packaging" pretty sure you already looked at this. Found it in the archives. Read this and figured I would poke around also 👍

Thanks, yeah, that's where I got the reminder about MK.

Shouldn't be so hard to find pix, but if I have them myself then I'm probably going to have to hunt up my DVD drive and struggle with the sluggish searches through my back-up disks. 

I'm trying to remember where I would have seen the Vitro marbles in the Imperial packaging, so I can figure out what search terms to get to the picture.  

I'm surprised by what a big blank I'm drawing in my search attempts.

P.s., I have just read that they also had Marble Kings in Imperial packaging. 

So, either picture would do.  Vitros or Marble Kings.  

I know I've seen Imperial packaging with Vitros.  Someone on facebook isn't taking my word for it though.

Apparently Vacors are being called Imperials by some people with the justification that Imperial did sell some marbles from Mexico.  I pointed out that Imperial also sold marbles from Vitro and we don't call Vitros Imperials. 

So, anyway, the guy says he doesn't believe me about the Vitros in Imperial packaging.  I don't have a lot of time to do the digging through old threads and image folders today so I thought I'd throw the question out to the group. 


 I'm pretty darn sure that I'm correct, but I have to go up to my attic now and organize my marbles. I have a couple of promises to keep and I need to get on it. 

 I thought that's how the thread would go!    

I want it to be Peltier because of the patch shape but it might turn out to be Akro.  

Yes, I should know, but no I can't remember and I'm not seeing good examples in my quick image search.

I'm with the Pelts on #2.   Looking like a wild PPP to me.

I don't know what years.  After 1991.  That's all I know.  

Josh, what dates do you have for Jabo bag headers?

@Nantucketdink

 

The white has a bit of a non-American look, but the overall marble looks vintage.

I am not thinking Vacor.

Looks like a Jabo Classic.  Of course, it being there with you in the Netherlands makes me wonder how you would get an unidentified Jabo.  What marbles did you find it with?

2 hours ago, William said:

First group, second row, second to the last one....

This 'un ...

Christensen Agate 1-13 (marbleconnection.com)

1 hour ago, wvrons said:

I am not sure, but it may be a rare CAC.  I would be careful with it until I knew for sure. Not many if any 7/8 inch Jabos have cut lines showing like those.  

^^ that's pretty much what I was thinking but I just didn't want to say CAC aloud.   Wanted someone more knowledgeable to say it.  And there you are. 
 

Sitting there with those vintage marbles, it looks like it belongs.  

I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was Jabo.  

Ooooooooohhhhhhhhh

When you're scrolling past something on facebook and  you see a picture and you wonder what kind of marble it is -- and it's something like a blueberry or the AT&T logo? 

Or in this case, it was "oh that cullet looks interesting, let me scroll back up and check it out."


This is the cullet in question.

Not getting a clear enough idea of the structure.  Am seeing Pelt and Akro possibilities.

I think the first might be Asian.

I'm seeing Vitro potential on the top 4.  The middle row look like Vitro Whities.

MK on the bottom left.  

And I don't see the bottom right well enough to say. 

The only reference I have is text from the 2007 ebay auction and that was only a physical description of the box. 

Bravo!  

You're allowed at least two days of completely zoning out.  Anyone who says otherwise can come talk to me!

I just went looking for some Jabo Tribute halves that I am hoping to give to someone to make art with, and I found two Marble King tournament bags -- one plastic, one cloth.

Two out of dozens of things I've had on a tentative wish list, having forgotten that I already had them.  

I have serious issues with "out of sight, out of mind".  
 

On 7/8/2022 at 11:24 AM, Akro75 said:

Were the coffin boxes only produced as sample boxes? I wonder if Akro just bought the left over stock from the MF Christensen supply of the travelers sample box? 

The picture had disappeared.  I dropped in to fix it.    I'll stick around for a bit join the discussion.

I don't know about which boxes Akro produced for sample or sale.  However, I will say that what I know about Akro from that time period suggests that we can't take Akro's word on being the manufacturer of the contents. Even with the fancy extra word "exclusively" added in.  

However, I also do not know what sizes Akro manufactured at the very beginning of their time in West Virginia.  They took a lot from MFC.  Did that include a higher range of marble sizes than what would eventually become their standard?  

Maybe I should know.  Should I know?  Is it in some document I've already posted and forgotten about?  

I was all in for Akro even before Art posted.

But, yeah, nice examples, Art.

And of course I'm still all in for Akro.