ziggyzora Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Read an article on some that were compared to "English caged fat core" What are they? Any pics? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Is it hand-made or machine-made? I've read about some solid core swirs with very bright colors that are sometimes called English style hand-mades but they're made in Germany. winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyzora Posted June 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Had a machine made marble I liked, id'd as possibly a Bogard cat, so searched more and found an article "C.E. Bogard & Sons Cat Eye". In the article it compared some to "English caged fat core" which I have not heard of and there was no pic to compare with. Have since had info that there is a pic of one in "Castle & Petersons book on Cat's-eyes" but I don't have access to a copy. No connection to the "English Color" solid core type hand mades from Germany (very nice I collect them), but also have no idea how they came by the "English" name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 The way you describe it ,the German or Euro sparkler comes in mij mind. Some of them have one colorful fat vane and stripes on the surface,like these 2. Maybe someone have the book with a picture?? winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjohn691500 Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 maybe a jelly core them seam to get a lil fat inside , dont know other than that ,alot of possibilities,,,j Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Oregon Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Here's the pic from Castle & Peterson's book and the short write-up about it. Both titled oddballs. Remember this book was put together in the mid 1990's when cat's-eyes were just starting to be looked at. They did their research, which was very thorough at the time but they did not have all the great information that has come out since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Thanks for posting the pic, Al -- the one on the right is the "English caged fat core," although, as you say, the other two . . . dunno 'bout them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted June 27, 2011 Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Thanks Al,i've the one on the right,of which I've always thought it was kind of an error marble. winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyzora Posted June 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 27, 2011 Could these be the type in the pic on the right from the book? I keep them as a sub-type of German sparklers, 1"harsh light 1" subdued light1"more10/16ths If it is these, the name "English caged fat core" is not too far out for a good name. Certainly a fat core, not obviously caged, could have been exported more/only to England? It was the Bogard Cat article that arouse my interest, but they look more like a cross between a Vitro Conq and a Pelt Sunburst, than one of these. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winnie Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 My first pic- is I think,the right pic- of the book. I have found here an incredible number of different Sparkler types,also with one fat core,although I think that you can find them more easely in England. It's quite possible that you can find other types in England than I can find here.Do you think they're all made in Germany? winnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted July 1, 2011 Report Share Posted July 1, 2011 That top one sure looks like the one on the right in the book to me, Winnie -- I think some of yours resemble it too, Zig -- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziggyzora Posted July 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted July 4, 2011 That top one sure looks like the one on the right in the book to me, Winnie Me too, thanks guys (mine are less similar for sure). Winnie's one looks exactly the same and matches the description and pic from the exerts shown from the book. Looks like the English connection was only made in the description "English caged fat core" from the article I read, have not found any here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ann Posted July 5, 2011 Report Share Posted July 5, 2011 And the book text doesn't say why the term "English" is used. Must have something to do with their find spot for that one. Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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