MC Marbles Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Is this what is refered to as a California Sulfide?? http://www.ebay.com/...=item3ccdb03921 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wediscount2 Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Is this what is refered to as a California Sulfide?? http://www.ebay.com/...=item3ccdb03921 I would say it is a California Sulphide. Ronnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 I never heard there were any blue ones? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmuehlba Posted December 31, 2012 Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Amethyst Sulphide Be careful with colored Sulphide I won one and had it sent to Rick to take out the chips The color was just a thin layer OR some thing added but what ever it came back nice just very clear . Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted December 31, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2012 Further research: Baumann, Collecting Antique Marbles, 3rd edition, Page 88 Identifies this figure as " Lady Godiva" a California Sulfide circa 1993-4 Lady Godiva was not an original known sulfide figure. Where it does not mention in blue, it does shows this very same figure done in an amber reproduction. (Plate 50) I guess I answered my own question. Thanks for your input everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Amethyst Sulphide Be careful with colored Sulphide I won one and had it sent to Rick to take out the chips The color was just a thin layer OR some thing added but what ever it came back nice just very clear . Mike That's interesting. Anyone know if polishing removes sun-tinting? i.e., is the violet color change due to exposure to sunlight only on the surface? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 No I do not know. I am going to have to break some old glass. But I do know someone that cased sulphides with color not that long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I know of an Ohio bottle & jar dealer that takes old glass and sends it out to be irradiated (Like they do to chicken). This process turns old glass a deep purple or a dirty amber color. I do not know if anyone has done it to marbles, but it is only a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdesousa Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 An interesting article about sun-purple glass http://www.patternglass.com/this_color_purple_99.htm and glass that glows yellow/green under a black light: http://www.patternglass.com/blacklights.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsantaclaus Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I know in the old days, they used chemicals to change the sulphide's exterior color. I've seen blue, purple, rose and yellow colored sulphides before that were only colored on the outside surface. My friend who polishes marbles has also uncovered the surface by polishing and the interior was simple clear glass after the initial polishing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck G Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Hansel, thank you for the insight and links to the colored sulphides and the uv blacklights. It was very informative reading and i even learned more from the articles. Chuck G-- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Polishing won't remove sun-tinting, it goes through the marble. There was a contemporary maker who was taking old sulphides and was doing casing them in a colored layer. The Lady Godiva is a known California Sulphide figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lstmmrbls Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Is the blue a color known from the 90s? And Rich do you have any info on that statement about folks chemicaly dying sulphides "in the old days", sounds interesting but I have never heard of such a case when talking Sulphide marbles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Aqua is a known color from that time period. If you look closely at the image of this one you can see the fissured surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spara50 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Uh oh..did someone say California Sulphide? So is Baumann saying that any figure not known prior to 1993 is a CA Sulphide? I'm willing to bet that in the last 10 years more than one unknown figure has popped up. It always amazes me that people think just because something is printed in a book that it's accurate. (No offense Bob) But Baumann, Grist, etc. knowledge of marbles is good, but not gospel. This became glaringly apparent to me after meeting and talking with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I thought I was asking a simple question. LOL I understand some of the controversy of the "California Sulfides" (But not all) I was just remarking Baumann's book helped reinforce my suspicions. Thank you Bob for your confirmation. Great info in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 "Nothing in print is Gospel" Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I didn't base my opinion about the Lady Godiva on what Baumann said. A friend of mine who is a collector bought a group of "California Sulphides" back in the 1992-1993 time frame. There were two Lady Godivas in the group. It hasn't been seen as a figure, except in a "California Sulphide", before or after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spara50 Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 Bob does the fissured surface mean it's old, or a CA sulphide? I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 CA Sulphide. I'll dig out the article from back then discusses it and post it. I may also have a copy of Mark Chervenka's analysis laying around somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 These are close-ups of the fissures. I'm pretty sure these are pictured in Chervenka's book. You can see evidence of these on the image in the first posting if you look at the right and left edges of the marble. It's beneficial that the Ebay seller posted such high resolution images of the marble. There was a CA Sulphide on Ebay earlier in the week, but the pictures were not as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 This 1.25" Polar Bear sold on Ebay a couple weeks ago for $375 It was stated: Probably came from the "California Hoard" http://www.ebay.com/...=p2047675.l2557 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted January 1, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 What do you think of this 1.75" one sold for $1100.00 ?? This one looks like the color was added over clear. http://www.ebay.com/...=item3ccb0d43b9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richsantaclaus Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 I think these sulphides look wonderful. Galen, I asked Corning when I was there, what chemicals they used to color their clear glass and they told me that was a good question but they couldn't tell me because it was a well kept secret. They did tell me that they indeed did use chemicals to color the clear glass because it was cheaper than buying glass that was already colored. They also said that they soaked the clear glass in chemicals for at least 5 days to get the desired colors they were looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobBlock Posted January 1, 2013 Report Share Posted January 1, 2013 The brown one pictured above was the one I was referring to. The green one here bothers me. The swirling green is not the color or type of glass you would see in "traditional" colored sulphides. While I haven't seen this particular fish before, that doesn't mean anything because I haven't seen every one of the marbles from the CA Sulphide group, only about 35 or 40. The surface detail I can see at the right and left edges bothers me. Quite frankly, if I was cataloguing this one, I would not have estimated this anywhere near the $1100. Nor would I have expected it to come anywhere near that number. Did it actually sell for $1100, I can't tell from the Ebay listing. I certainly would not have graded it much above 8.0, given the amount of pitting on the surface. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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