Did Christensen Agate Company make opaque black base white colored swirls?

[The Nickel Guy]

I have some very pretty, well made marbles that are same size as my confirmed CAC early swirl marbles but colors are telling me they may not be CAC.

The Black base marbles have very bright white well defined white and adjacent brown swirls, these came in the same batch of very old marbles.

On the other hand, I have some very nice white base marbles with very dark brown (almost black) swirls.

I also have some snow white base quality marbles that have opaque red swirls, I know these are also CAC but I also have very white base quality marbles that have transparent orange swirls.

So my questions are

CAC swirls? 

If they are not CAC could somebody please ID for me.

I have many swirl marbles, a few dozen have been pulled and set aside because they have a great white base color and stood out in the crowd. I am trying to learn what cannot be done 100%, I know, but I would like to be able to say that this one is Alley or this one is Ravenswood with some knowledge behind it someday. I thought these posted might be real good ones.

Well, regardless, they are real good ones to me anyway.

[CharlieT]

I have one marble that is similar that I still haven't 100% identified. It's actually my cover image. The white base glass doesn't match any of our others. 

[The Nickel Guy]

1 hour ago, CharlieT said:

I have one marble that is similar that I still haven't 100% identified. It's actually my cover image. The white base glass doesn't match any of our others. 

Thank you for that response CharlieT.

I measured the orange/white base swirls today and I find them to be slightly smaller than the 5/8th diameter CAC red/white base marbles. I think that the orange can be ruled out of the CAC question. I think I remember Ron Shepard mentioning the whiteness of the base color in swirls in Stephen Bahrs videos. I'll run across that video again. I do not think Ron was talking about CAC swirls when he pointed out how white those swirls were in the vid.

Yes, your avatar image does look a lot like that one I posted.   Is yours 5/8th inches?

and

What company do you lean toward as for an maker ID that is your less than 100% guess?

[Ric]

I'd need to see a few more angles of each, especially any ribbon ends, before I would be confident enough to even venture a guess as to who made these, since a number of companies used white batch glass to produce similar swirls.

[The Nickel Guy]

I will follow up with the best images I can provide Ric and thank you for taking the time and thought to respond. Later today though. Gotta run at the moment.

[CharlieT]

3 hours ago, The Nickel Guy said:

Thank you for that response CharlieT.

I measured the orange/white base swirls today and I find them to be slightly smaller than the 5/8th diameter CAC red/white base marbles. I think that the orange can be ruled out of the CAC question. I think I remember Ron Shepard mentioning the whiteness of the base color in swirls in Stephen Bahrs videos. I'll run across that video again. I do not think Ron was talking about CAC swirls when he pointed out how white those swirls were in the vid.

Yes, your avatar image does look a lot like that one I posted.   Is yours 5/8th inches?

and

What company do you lean toward as for an maker ID that is your less than 100% guess?

Well Nickel Guy, something I learned along the way is that typically when it comes to machine made marbles, if you have one that seems to be kind of extra extraordinary looking compared to most all your other Alleys, Ravenswoods ext..., it's probably a Christensen. Does that one on the left have blue in it? Cuz I have one very similar with hints of blue in it.

[CharlieT]

Just over 5/8's about 41/64's

[The Nickel Guy]

OK back after a bit of running around and a sit down with my photo editor.

No blue in my reds.

Anyway, I am glad we didn't get too much else in comments on this since I made mistakes in the colors. It isn't black on white at all, it is a brown on 1 and purple on the other 4 I have, three of those look a brownish purple if there is such a color.

Here is my mistaken colors on the black base. In hand they sure did look white and brown but they are white and purple again. I have 3 of these. ( 2 views )

Those aren't chips, that is the reflection of my windows and a reflection of the marble next to it.

 

Now the white base translucent orange ones I have six of I think. The top left in this one may just belong by itself or with the red (hopefully CAC) ones shown below these orange ones. These, I have more doubt, as I deal with them during the day. Still I would like to identify them all for my own learning purposes.

These are my red (no blue in the red) marbles with the opaque  stripes. These are the ones that I got in a score with at least 30 for sure colored base CAC swirls.

I think counting the one misplace in the photo above and these shown below, I think I have 10 in all. 

The marbles in question in a box lid. THANK YOU all who read and can help out.

[akroorka]

1 hour ago, The Nickel Guy said:

Those aren't chips, that is the reflection of my windows and a reflection of the marble next to it.

 

I looked long and hard.

The images below the statement that I quoted appear to have AV in the black.

One or two may be older Peltier. (maybe "Miller Swirls")

There are no CAC in any of your great images imho.

Thanks for sharing them--great marbles.

Marble--On!!

[The Nickel Guy]

Thanks Akroorka! I measured them with my new plastic hole thing you suggested I get. Professional Circle Guide Template LOL    works fast and good.

[Fire1981]

Purple and White looks to have orange peel of the surface glass. If so, then I I have to go Vacor.🔥

[Ric]

I agree with Fire - it looks like a few might be Octopi.

[The Nickel Guy]

9 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

Purple and White looks to have orange peel of the surface glass. If so, then I I have to go Vacor.🔥

I found a few in this tray in this video at this time segment that look an awful lot like mine. Ron Shepherd talks about "Batch Glass" There are others that look like mine more in the center of that tray as well.

Start watching this Ravenswood video of Stephen Bahrs at 14:10 and try with closed captioning on too.

Here's a picture I took in the daylight on the windowsill without any tweaking except for resizing smaller.

My black base marbles with the white and purple racing stripes do not  have orange peel effect when held in hand in my opinion.

I see what you see in my earlier images. It must be my photography and editor that causes that.

 

[The Nickel Guy]

I wonder if those three in the above image are Peltier Ruby Jewel marbles? Found similar on this page https://www.peltiermarbles.info/rare about halfway down and then others at about 3/4 the way down.