Fire1981 Posted yesterday at 04:24 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 04:24 AM Yes ! A true 1/2 PeeWee. It’s a Conquer with nice Horse Hair with Off Set seams. Any idea if this is dated and attached to the Vienna Era🔥 RAR 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted yesterday at 04:30 AM Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 04:30 AM Aren’t Vitro Pee Wee’s VHTF. I’m not trying to pump this one up. Bottom line is it’s not 9/16🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted yesterday at 05:09 AM Author Report Share Posted yesterday at 05:09 AM I found this seam trait in 2002 and only saw the 90degree twist found on some of my Vitros. I posted examples of the 2 I have. One is 1/2. The there one is 9/16. I got shut down here on the Boards and the marbles were ID as Pelt Rainbos. I always look for this trait. I’ve yet to still find this seam configuration on any other marbles I have with seams🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted yesterday at 12:16 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:16 PM 7 hours ago, Fire1981 said: Aren’t Vitro Pee Wee’s VHTF. I’m not trying to pump this one up. Bottom line is it’s not 9/16🔥 Note: I am speaking only about marbles made at Vienna and Parkersburg locations. I am not sure about post-1987 production. Any true Vitro Peewee is VHTF and any that are not game marbles (clearies or one-color opaques) are RARE. AFAIK, Vitro never intentionally made marbles in the No. 000 size (1/2" or less), and the only No. 00 (over 1/2" to 9/16") they intentionally made were transparent or one-color opaque game marbles. So any Vitros with an intentional pattern that are 9/16" or less are uncommon. The vast majority of their patterned marbles were No. 0 (over 9/16" to 5/8") and larger. This is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct me if any of this is wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted yesterday at 12:39 PM Report Share Posted yesterday at 12:39 PM 7 hours ago, Fire1981 said: I found this seam trait in 2002 and only saw the 90degree twist found on some of my Vitros. I posted examples of the 2 I have. One is 1/2. The there one is 9/16. I got shut down here on the Boards and the marbles were ID as Pelt Rainbos. I always look for this trait. I’ve yet to still find this seam configuration on any other marbles I have with seams🔥 RAR It's hard to believe that marble would be identified as Peltier. I sure hope it wasn't me. 🙂 Ron Shepherd pointed out the offset seams to me the first time we sat down and sorted marbles together. As I recall, it was during the second Sistersville Marble Festival. I don't exactly remember when that was but it's been a good long while. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted 17 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 17 hours ago Thanks Ric. Any idea if it’ll from Vienna🔥 RAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 16 hours ago Report Share Posted 16 hours ago 25 minutes ago, Fire1981 said: Thanks Ric. Any idea if it’ll from Vienna🔥 RAR I think it was 1945 when they moved from Vienna to Parkersburg so I think there is a very good chance it was made at Vienna but they may have continued Conqueror production early at the Parkersburg location too so it's sort of hard to tell for sure, at least for me. One thing I do know for sure is that a true peewee Conqueror is a rare bird, indeed! I have probably gone through 6-8 gallons of conquerors since I started collecting and I have never found one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted 16 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 16 hours ago I feel really lucky 🔥 RAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted 15 hours ago Report Share Posted 15 hours ago 16 hours ago, Fire1981 said: Yes ! A true 1/2 PeeWee. It’s a Conquer with nice Horse Hair with Off Set seams. Very nice find Fire! I would be fired up too. Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago Fire, I just love posts like this! For starters, great marble! What gets me excited is I see is a “Shear Shadow”! The leading edge of the shear is the actual “Cut Line”. The trailing edge is the “Shadow Line”. It is such a subtle feature that is often overlooked. As someone would say, “Marble On!” -John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 11 hours ago Report Share Posted 11 hours ago @Shamrock Marbles It's a point well made, John - a pretty common occurrence on Vitros. And now I know what to call it - a "Shadow Line", which is great. So thanks for that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 6 minutes ago, Ric said: @Shamrock Marbles It's a point well made, John - a pretty common occurrence on Vitros. And now I know what to call it - a "Shadow Line", which is great. So thanks for that! I get the same “fingerprint” when I cut with my Fiskars. One could actually measure that distance and determine the thickness of the shear blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago Just now, Shamrock Marbles said: I get the same “fingerprint” when I cut with my Fiskars. One could actually measure that distance and determine the thickness of the shear blade. Excellent description/explanation - I totally get how that happens now! Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 12 minutes ago, Shamrock Marbles said: One could actually measure that distance and determine the thickness of the shear blade. Just to make sure I get this . . . Is it the thickness of the shear blade or the width of the bevel? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 minute ago, Ric said: Just to make sure I get this . . . Is it the thickness of the shear blade or the width of the bevel? Not exactly. It is a function of the Blade Thickness and Bevel Angle. Trigonometry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 minute ago, Shamrock Marbles said: Not exactly. It is a function of the Blade Thickness and Bevel Angle. Trigonometry. Got it - makes perfect sense. Thank Again! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Ric said: Got it - makes perfect sense. Thank Again! It is one of those things that need a diagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 10 hours ago Report Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 minute ago, Shamrock Marbles said: It is one of those things that need a diagram. I already have one in my head. lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shamrock Marbles Posted 9 hours ago Report Share Posted 9 hours ago 52 minutes ago, Ric said: I already have one in my head. lol Some can “see” the geometry, but others may need an illustration. Glad you have the capacity to create in the mind’s eye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 8 hours ago Report Share Posted 8 hours ago (edited) 8 hours ago, Shamrock Marbles said: Some can “see” the geometry, but others may need an illustration. Of course, you're right . . . The distance between the "cut line" and the "shadow line" is equal to the length of the base, where θ represents the angle of the knife's bevel and altitude is equal to the thickness of the blade. In nerd words, B-C = A-B * tan(θ). 🙂 Note: There are a variety of assumptions and variables here that I am not interested in accounting for. Edited 1 hour ago by Ric Added note Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted 8 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 8 hours ago You guys are kill’n me but I do see the over lap and will be looking at some of my lack luster Vitros from Veinna and see if I might find this trait that is new to me🔥 RAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted 6 hours ago Author Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Thanks Pokey 🔥 RAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 56 minutes ago Report Share Posted 56 minutes ago 7 hours ago, Fire1981 said: You guys are kill’n me but I do see the over lap and will be looking at some of my lack luster Vitros from Veinna and see if I might find this trait that is new to me🔥 RAR This is pretty common on other Vitros and Peltiers too, Fire. Less common on Akros and Masters, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted 18 minutes ago Report Share Posted 18 minutes ago 5 hours ago, Fire1981 said: Thanks Pokey 🔥 Pokey makes me happy! Thanks, Fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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