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I found this seam trait in 2002 and only saw the 90degree twist found on some of my Vitros. I posted examples of the 2 I have. One is 1/2. The there one is 9/16. I got shut down here on the Boards and the marbles were ID as Pelt Rainbos. I always look for this trait. I’ve yet to still find this seam configuration on any other marbles I have with seams🔥

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Ric Grand Master

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7 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

Aren’t Vitro Pee Wee’s VHTF. I’m not trying to pump this one up. Bottom line is it’s not 9/16🔥

Note: I am speaking only about marbles made at Vienna and Parkersburg locations. I am not sure about post-1987 production.

Any true Vitro Peewee is VHTF and any that are not game marbles (clearies or one-color opaques) are RARE.

AFAIK, Vitro never intentionally made marbles in the No. 000 size (1/2" or less), and the only No. 00 (over 1/2" to 9/16") they intentionally made were transparent or one-color opaque game marbles. So any Vitros with an intentional pattern that are 9/16" or less are uncommon. The vast majority of their patterned marbles were No. 0 (over 9/16" to 5/8") and larger.

This is just my understanding. I hope someone will correct me if any of this is wrong.

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7 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

I found this seam trait in 2002 and only saw the 90degree twist found on some of my Vitros. I posted examples of the 2 I have. One is 1/2. The there one is 9/16. I got shut down here on the Boards and the marbles were ID as Pelt Rainbos. I always look for this trait. I’ve yet to still find this seam configuration on any other marbles I have with seams🔥

RAR

It's hard to believe that marble would be identified as Peltier. I sure hope it wasn't me. 🙂

Ron Shepherd pointed out the offset seams to me the first time we sat down and sorted marbles together. As I recall, it was during the second Sistersville Marble Festival. I don't exactly remember when that was but it's been a good long while.

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25 minutes ago, Fire1981 said:

Thanks Ric. Any idea if it’ll from Vienna🔥

RAR

I think it was 1945 when they moved from Vienna to Parkersburg so I think there is a very good chance it was made at Vienna but they may have continued Conqueror production early at the Parkersburg location too so it's sort of hard to tell for sure, at least for me.

One thing I do know for sure is that a true peewee Conqueror is a rare bird, indeed!

I have probably gone through 6-8 gallons of conquerors since I started collecting and I have never found one.

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Fire,

I just love posts like this!

For starters, great marble!

What gets me excited is I see is a “Shear Shadow”!

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The leading edge of the shear is the actual “Cut Line”. The trailing edge is the “Shadow Line”.

It is such a subtle feature that is often overlooked.

As someone would say, “Marble On!”

-John

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6 minutes ago, Ric said:

@Shamrock Marbles It's a point well made, John - a pretty common occurrence on Vitros. And now I know what to call it - a "Shadow Line", which is great. So thanks for that!

I get the same “fingerprint” when I cut with my Fiskars.

One could actually measure that distance and determine the thickness of the shear blade.

 

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Just now, Shamrock Marbles said:

I get the same “fingerprint” when I cut with my Fiskars.

One could actually measure that distance and determine the thickness of the shear blade.

Excellent description/explanation - I totally get how that happens now!

Thanks!

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12 minutes ago, Shamrock Marbles said:

One could actually measure that distance and determine the thickness of the shear blade.

Just to make sure I get this . . . Is it the thickness of the shear blade or the width of the bevel?

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8 hours ago, Shamrock Marbles said:

Some can “see” the geometry, but others may need an illustration.

Of course, you're right . . .

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The distance between the "cut line" and the "shadow line" is equal to the length of the base, where θ represents the angle of the knife's bevel and altitude is equal to the thickness of the blade. In nerd words, B-C = A-B * tan(θ). 🙂

Note: There are a variety of assumptions and variables here that I am not interested in accounting for.

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7 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

You guys are kill’n me but I do see the over lap and will  be looking at some of my lack luster Vitros from Veinna and see if I might find this trait that is new to me🔥

RAR

This is pretty common on other Vitros and Peltiers too, Fire. Less common on Akros and Masters, I think.

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