Fire1981 Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Any ideas ? 🔥 RAR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted Saturday at 03:41 AM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 03:41 AM Hand gathered ? 🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted Saturday at 09:45 PM Report Share Posted Saturday at 09:45 PM No --just a very nice Akro Slag imho. Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted Saturday at 11:11 PM Author Report Share Posted Saturday at 11:11 PM Thanks 👍🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted Sunday at 02:01 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:01 AM X2, Akro 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie Posted Sunday at 04:44 AM Report Share Posted Sunday at 04:44 AM @shiroaiko Did Japan make purple and white slags? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire1981 Posted Sunday at 02:24 PM Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 02:24 PM There are transitionals that some might call slags🔥 RAR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie Posted Monday at 08:12 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:12 AM I'm only a beginner. A Transitional is hand gathered with a wraparound tail? Do you get both hand gathered and fully machine made Slags? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SequoiaBET Posted Monday at 08:42 AM Report Share Posted Monday at 08:42 AM A transitional is a hand gathered marble that is machine roller finished. The "transition" from fully hand made to fully machine made marbles. Early US and Japanese (and others countries?) companies made them in the early 1900's. They don't have to have a tail. And yes, there were both transitional and fully machine made slags. They are among the earliest of machine made marbles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussie Posted Monday at 12:19 PM Report Share Posted Monday at 12:19 PM @SequoiaBET So are all Transitionals actually Slags? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted Tuesday at 12:16 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:16 AM 11 hours ago, aussie said: So are all Transitionals actually Slags? Most are--there are always exeptions though. Nice question! Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SequoiaBET Posted Tuesday at 02:25 AM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 02:25 AM Akroorka knows more than I do and has likely seen way more transitionals than I have. I have only a few in my collection. My question for you @akroorka is are the Asian transitionals Slags? The 2 Yasuda's I have resemble Akro corkscrews more than typical slags. Two colors yes, but nice clean corkscrew patterns. For my own learning, as I understand it, slags are defined by more than just how the marble looks- it is also how they are made. Correct? Two colors, white and another, within a single stream of glass. Can you expand on that akroorka? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiroaiko Posted Tuesday at 12:23 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:23 PM Hi @aussie and everyone✨ I'm back from Osaka this evening and got an access to my pc.The definition of slags! This thread looks like a good place for me to learn. 😃🙏 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad G. Posted Tuesday at 12:28 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 12:28 PM A slag is defined as any transparent base colored marble (Amber, purple, green, red, etc... ) with opaque white running through it, weather hand gathered or machine made. A transitional is a different animal IMO, some are slag like and some are made of 2 opaque colors, just my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SequoiaBET Posted Tuesday at 05:23 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:23 PM There it is. A nice clean definition. That matches what I have seen and heard for both slags and transitionals. Thanks Chad! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted Tuesday at 10:43 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:43 PM What Chad says X2!! Marble--On!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SequoiaBET Posted yesterday at 03:18 AM Report Share Posted yesterday at 03:18 AM @Chad G. @akroorka Follow up question- when does a slag become a swirl? So many WVS (and others) fit that definition of a slag. Colored transparent base glass with opaque white ribbons. I have one I'll post in the id section tonight that I'm not sure which it is. Generally I know which ones I call slags and which I call swirls, but what is the actual official difference between a slag and a swirl? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akroorka Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago Good question here SequoiaBET. “Slags” are a combined process where the two colors of glass are combined from the start from the furnace or in the old pots that hand-gathered marbles came from. Most “Machine Made” “Swirls” are a two (or many more) stage process where one color meets another just before it is cut-off onto the rollers. To really get an idea of this, you would have to study the machines and how they worked. I have and it has helped me with my ID of marbles greatly—finding out how they were made by what machine. This is intense stuff and it will blow you away once you start to research it. I encourage you to do so along with the rest of the marble collecting community that we all belong to. When I say that “I just love this stuff” I mean it. I have been down the “Rabbit’s Hole” for weeks on end researching marbles and the machinery that made them. (I spent a lot less on marbles while doing this and gained a whole bunch of knowledge that I am here to give away) When I get locked on to a subject, I was/still am, like a virtual or book weirdo, just sucking in the info that I could/still find. I just love this stuff, Really I do!!! Marble—On!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SequoiaBET Posted 3 hours ago Report Share Posted 3 hours ago Thanks Akroorka, that makes sense about the difference. I have a very basic understanding of how marble making machines work. Mainly from reading about how JABO made theirs and from the book American Machine Made Marbles. If you know of any other good sources of info, I'd love to check them out. I agree, it is fascinating to learn about the various advances and contributions of people to the process- and also how the machines moved around amongst various companies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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