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I found a few more pages in other folders...less relevant to the topic, perhaps, but may be of some interest to the other marble history nerds here... this page could go after the last group, a few pages back...

Mon...I think the cup was cast iron. They keep talking of pulling back the oil cup to release the marble, and I think the oil cup is on the top side of the part sticking up between the larger sprocket and wheel in the first picture of the MFC machine....the part with the long oblong slot and two arms going down....

I'm pretty sure there was no hole, the marble was just dumped out. Considering that they only got paid for the good marbles, and knowing that a team could make 1000 marbles in an hour, I imagine they were skilled enough to judge the correct size of each gob nearly every time. They had a little leeway, since a machine at a certain setting would make two sizes marbles, such as size 0 and size 1, depending on the actual size of gob cut into the cup.

I don't see a category for antagonistic grampa accidental collectors....

I also forgot to show pictures of the MFC machines, for those who aren't familiar with them... one side the other side top view

and finally... also, I added another page to the beginning of this, in post #114, page 44 of the testimony, which I missed before.

I wouldn't want to say for absolute certain, some things are open to interpretation, and I'll let you decide for yourselves. a little more...

more from the 1927 appellate court trial...

(cont) (this is all from the 1927 appellate court trial between Akro Agate and Peltier Glass Co.)

Thanks all ! Mon asked for another installment. Not much additional info, but I sure like hearing these guys talk...

Akro Agates, I think.

another tidbit for Galen.....sorry to take it off topic again.... the other pages are fairly repetitive, and will seem nearly as interesting as math to most people, I'm afraid...

Possibly, but as I said earlier, I can't say for absolute certain. There was over forty pages of the above testimony, and that point was not pinned down completely, I don't think.

I don't see that it was that tough getting the information out of me. I was attempting to explain things as fast and as accurately as I could, and I'm sorry if it was so difficult for you to understand.

The following is testimony from some MFC workmen at the appellate court trial between Akro Agate and Peltier Glass Company in 1927, concerning the marble machines...

That's OK, Galen....I just come here for the ridicule and disrespect, anyways.... I, too, wish the people who weren't as stupid as I, would chime in, like Brian and John and Cohill, to explain all this to us, and describe all the patent stuff, and other things, that I am obviously just too dense to understand... Maybe I'll come back after my coffee....

I did not say the rollers were all different. Two men worked together as a team, and each team worked on a row, or battery, of machines making a certain sized marbles. Most of the teams made size 0 and size 1 marbles. Some teams made larger marbles on machines with larger and deeper grooves, and with different size sprockets on the rollers, to run at a different speed. I know nothing of secret squirrel information, and I don't care if you believe me about them tossing the gobs into the rollers from the cup that they were cut into. The rollers did not automatically separate when the marble got hard, the cutter guy did that manually by pulling a lever. I didn't mention this stuff before because nobody asked me.

Oh, my...are they new ?

The cutter guy has scissors in his right hand, cutting the gob, and the cup with the handle is directly below on a shelf. His left hand is about to release a now-cooled marble from a set of rollers that he will toss the newly cut gob into. They have to cut the gob into the cup first, because if cut right into the rollers, it would just slip on through. There are two rollers for each machine. Small marbles, size 0 and size one, cool rather fast, and with a battery of six machines, they toss a marble in each machine down the row, and when they get back to the first machine, that marble will be cool enough to release, and fill with another hot gob from the cup. For larger marbles up to size 8 or size 12, they would need a battery of 10 or even 12 machines, to allow the larger marbles more time to cool enough to release. This information and the two photos come from depositions of former MFC workers at the appellate trial between Akro Agate and Peltier.

It was not a hinged funnel guide. It was a small block with a half sphere hole in it, the size of a marble, and a handle attached to the block. The size of the half-round hole in the block corresponded to the size of the marble being made. Size 0 and size 1 marbles would usually have a battery of six machines, and there could be as many as 10 or 12 machines involved in making the larger size 8 or size 12 marbles, because they took longer to cool, before they could be released from the machines. The furnace was located one step away from the gatherer. (Galen.... I don't consider you a know it all...)

I'm not sure what you mean by a capturing device, but I do know that at MFC the gobs were cut to land in a small half-round cup, that was then dumped into the set of rollers. (as seen in the first photo I posted of the MFC factory.)

I also suspect that a revolving punty with a larger gather, would tend to obscure the cut marks of the previous marble.

I suspect that hot glass might be thicker, and less liquidy than Galen implies, and that perhaps spinning the punty would prevent the gob from dripping so readily, and offer some control, allowing a larger gather to fill rollers of a whole bank of machines. (maybe)

I would expect each gather to yield several marbles, but I do not know for certain from documentation.