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The two that look most different to me in the box on the right are in the fourth column, the second one down, and the fourth one down. Just guessing, I know nothing.

Galen...from the documentation and correspondence, I came away with the strong impression that Sellers Peltier had much to do with the development of the Prima Agates, very much more so than that Arnold fella.

Prima Agates were Peltier marbles, so named by Peltier.

The ones in Galen's box on the left with the orangey tone don't look like Prima Agates to me.

The second one does not look like a Prima Agate, to me, being so opaque. The first one may be a Prima Agate, being translucent, but I couldn't say for sure. I am not as familiar with these types as I would like to be, having never seen them in person.

The butcher's wife, Peg, is a real treat.

I prefer light comedies, and I've been enjoying this season of Fargo.

Oh, thank you so much ! I'm all old and retired and don't do much any more....I kind of forgot about my website, and haven't updated it for 7 or 8 years....woops....

As far as I know, there were about 2000 of the First Run, and possibly 5000 of the Second Run, but I may be wrong on the 5000 figure, due to bad brains. There were no larger size marbles made of either run, to my knowledge. Thank you, Al and Stephanie for the pictures. The boxes for the Second Run marbles with the Indian were made by Gino Biffany and his good marble buddy Al Faull. I made the boxes with the buffalo.

The First Run and Second Run marbles were made at Peltier Glass Company in 2002. They were about 5/8" in size. There is more information on them on page four of Steph's Study Hall, under "Links: Peltier", in the topic "Peltier First And Second Runs? This is new to me", and more info if you scroll way down to "Pelts, 1st & 2nd runs" and right below that to "First Run Pelts". They were the last marbles made at Peltier, not part of the Mansion Run made at Jabo in 2008.

So very sad, Gino was a great help to me, a fine mentor and a wonderful friend. I will be forever grateful to have known him. Best wishes to Kay and all the family.

I think there were some clear pink champagne colored ones also.

You are most very welcome, John, Also, it gives me an excuse to post an illustrative photo... I think this shows the dried soda ash on the rollers (It's good to see Al again, on the machine here...) this is how the big boys make marbles...

I asked John Burns, the long time mechanic at Peltier Glass Company, if he knew what causes the orange peel texture on some marbles, and he said... "...from what I have witnessed the marble makers would soak a rag in a mixture of water and soda ash, and run it along the rollers (while they were making marbles) thereby giving the rollers a little more traction on hot marbles. This would keep some of the undersized marbles from falling through the rollers. This also leads to the orange peel texture you are talking about. After the rollers heat back up, the soda ash smooths out and the texture disappears. This may not be the only reason for a orange peel affect, but it is one I have personally observed. I hope this is helpful." John

I don't think it is in the Nova group from what I could find, and I don't have any other Peltier quite like it, either...

This might be more of a pelican, or worse, but oh, well...

Peltier had all the knowledge necessary to make the furnaces and all the glass colors they would ever likely need, but they didn't know whether or not they would have to build special furnaces, or develop new colors, in order to be successful in their new marble endeavor, so Arnold was hired to cover all that. As you know from later correspondence, Arnold failed in many of these duties, and Sellers took over many of these tasks, especially relating to the furnaces and new glass development, such as the cerise and opal glass.

Peltier had been making sheet glass from batch for many, many years before Arnold arrived, and had their own formulas for all these colors, and was one of the first companies in the country to make opalescent glass. It is more likely that Arnold left Peltier with many of their formulas. They needed his help to learn how to make marbles, not glass.

I don't know what causes the orange peel surface, but I don't think it is necessarily reliant on the rollers having a rough surface. All of Peltier's machines were well maintained and smooth, but I found quite a few 3/4" marbles that looked exactly like the green and white ones Galen showed in post 38. I didn't see the rollers close up when I was at Jabo for the Mansion run, but a high percentage of our marbles had the wrinkly surface as in Galen's post #18. This occurred off and on throughout our run, especially when we had the red base glass, which flows at a lower temperature, and is much less stiff than the white or yellow base glass that we had used prior to the red.

I suspect that it isn't so much from a rough surface on the rollers, as it is from overheated rollers making the glass, especially on larger marbles, take longer to cool down. John's wheel rollers at room temperature making several handfulls of marbles one at a time, wouldn't heat up nearly as much as production marble company augers with continuously fed gobs for a twelve hour period. The resulting marbles would be much more likely to have folds, a rough surface, and to be mis-shapen. The large Miller machine at Peltier that made the one inch marbles, had evolved to the point where it had water lines underneath.

Some Peltier peewees, bottom row is less than 1/2 inch, those above are smaller still. and if I may say so....here is Peltier's double auger peewee machine

That is well worth putting on glasses...

My "like" button broke...

The orange one next to the nice black aventurine marble ? Grab Ann, and come on over.... I'll add some pics in the meanwhiles... maybe some pics of the other one, also... Oh, and Steph...a few seem to be peerless patches....in the Acme Realer thread there was mention of a one inch one with a blue, green and yellow patch... this may be the peerless .98" version...

Peltier boulders over an inch boulders about 31/32 boulders about 15/16 boulders over 7/8 (sorry about the tripod and house reflections...)