Steph

In the 1873_001 document. Good catch. If that was a test for the rest of us to see if we would miss those sections, then we failed.

Some lovely marbles there. Welcome.

Peltier actually did name a marble Sunset ... back in 1930-ish. It was part of the National Line. But few people know that and we don't call them that. As Gladys said, to us Sunset is a name we use for some Rainbos.

Sunset

Hi. Welcome. The history is my favorite part of collecting. I have read a lot about tournaments. Looking forward to some interesting exchanges.

I feel your pain. Good lesson.

White generally counts as a color for Akro. For instance, the Akro Prizename -- a two-color cork. Many are white with one other color. And the Tri-Color Agate ... most of those have white and two other colors. Some of the Tri-Color Agates have three non-white colors, but most of the time white is part of the color count.

China on top. Glazed China I think. Then Benningtons. Then Fancy Benningtons. Then two that I shall call clays. The left one might get some discussion going. But I'm going to say easy clay on the right, the sort of clay that was called a "commie" back in the day, short for "common".

How could anyone object? Thank you for sharing your father with us.

I'm actually surprised and pleased to see that the consensus is back to Peltier for these. I have watched the alleged-Kokomo train picking up steam and I'm glad to hear that maybe things have slowed down and even gone in reverse.

Not 100%. Mostly it's to try to figure out the seams, with a gentle reminder that most of us would just put them all together and not worry about it too much. Uranium base will get Akro. Blending of colors in the patch can point to Master. Another example of the blurred lines of trying to ID marbles made by people who were integral to the work at one company and then went over and started making marbles at another company.

Agree. I think four early and maybe one later but not getting a handle on an age for that bottom right one.

Also, this might be the stuff we're _calling_ aventurine because it's green (at least one variation is) and sparkly. But it might be something else ... mica, perhaps?

I agree with Vitro. And I understand the quandary. Scrolling past, a couple of views made me wonder if I would indeed settle on Vitro by the end. Indeed I did, but it was touch and go, and I woudn't be too surprised if someone else went a different way. If Vitro, then I'm still not sure if we have a 1930's Tri-Lite, or a wacky 1960's All-Red. I'm leaning toward the earlier option right now, but it's 1:15 a.m. and I know better than to make decisions after 1 in the morning.

x 3 for all of that. Very appealing contemporary marble. But I couldn't justify spending $250 on it.

Assuming you were able to identify and communicate all of the potentially relevant visual and tactile information and come up with a reliable model, reliability in this circumstance would still give results in the general neighborhood of "there is a 75% chance that the marble was made by one of these two or three companies." It has been a long time since my stats classes but I do remember how inexact the most practical results were. In my youth, from the security of the generally well-definable notions I dealt with as a mathematician, I glibly insulted some social scientists once because they had to make the best of some very vague answers, because, duh, it was social science, piffle. I got schooled and eventually came to appreciate the work they did with the vague results they got. But still ... vague. Being able to come up with as practical a model as you could given the physics and chemistry of glass, and the wide range of materials used, with standard batch formulas in early years and with common sources for glass cullet in later years, and given the intertwined histories of the companies and their machinery ... this would be impressive ... but would not mean you would have a high percentage of definitive IDs.

*my observation about the texture of the base glass carries no weight as to whether your marble is Heaton, Cairo Novelty, Ravenswood, or soemthing else. Basically I'm just pointing out a different feature which comes into play in IDs and could point to another marble company, or could stop one from being able narrow the ID down to a single company.

The base glass on your marble is the spongy kind that makes me think of Heaton or Cairo Novelty. A great contrast between the smooth and bright white of the Ravenswood photographs.

Oh brother.

The spongy white base glass is another possible Cairo Novelty tell. However, when I was learning the little bit I know about swirls, it also put Heaton into consideration. Also, I think of Cairo as tending more often toward simpler swirls so if the ribbon starts picking up a little busy-ness, that also makes me consider an alternative. So looking at this view my guess would be "Cairo Novelty or Heaton".

This intrigues me. Makes me think a marble I had down as "Imperial" could perhaps be moved from my Asian marbles to my Mexican.

Yeah ...

I was ready to nod along to Vitro. Ric's position intrigues me.

Not quite the topic, but it reminds me ..... I may be making this up, but I have a pretty strong memory of someone trying to get a marble ID for some of these.

I love clearies! The noble clearie which saved Vitro from going under when Japanese cat's eyes were storming the market!