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Hi James!! I think, of all the books I own (and that's most of 'em) I probably use Marble Mania the most for ID. It's easy to use, the pictures are great and it covers every area of marbles... It may be a bit more $$ than others, but if your just gonna get one book, it's the best bang for the buck. Second, would probably be Everett Grist's Big Book of Marbles.

I've never really studied the differences between Sunbursts and Sunsets. When I talk to Bo, he gets pretty indignant that I never cared enough to pay much attention to those arguments..... But, the whole thing for me is.... On an individual-marble-basis, either I like it, or I don't... "Who made it" has little meaning to me... BUT, Steph, as long as you post that picture with the distinction, I've gotta say, most of that style of marble ends up in a "keeper" pile for me.... I just love that clear reflective hollow... Making it a great choice for this thread!!! (I'll have to check and see it I have any red, white & blues...) HaHa... IS clear a color??? For those who remember that argument.... Geeeez, let's FORGET it!!! :icon_lmao:

Wow... Every once in a while something happens that's so coincidental you figure there MUST be a reason for it... I wonder what it is???? I was doing some research on a flint glass Daisy & Button pattern bowl. When I searched auctions on ebay, look what the first item listed in ebay stores was... (The only one I could see without scrolling down...) Little Lord Fauntleroy Not much more than the cost of renting, with no embarrassing video store encounters!!! LOL My search was "Flint Daisy Button" Two actors in the movie: Daisy Belmore & Helen Flint Plus the instructions to "click on the "Pay Now" button at the top of the item page." weird......

Hi Derrick, I think that would be fine... Thank you!!

What an awesome idea!!! This could go on forever!! But, here's a few I have on file... The power of "clear!!" Onionskin with Mica... Onionskin with Mica, in water!! 4 lobed onionskin.... 4 lobed onionskin, in water!! Dolphin Sulphide Tri-level Dudley Giberson Contemporary And, my favorite Vacor!!

Wow, what awesome work!!! I'm so bummed to learn this much about her after she's gone.... She was a beautiful lady....

Oh what a loss!! I didn't know Patry very well, but I always enjoyed and respected her board participation.... She will be greatly missed!! Edna, we'll keep this thread running for posts on the main board, then I'll move it to the Memorial Forum, later. Please post pics and memories in this thread.....

Thanks Laurie!!! I'm going to link this to Glass Addiction... I think Gateson would like to see it... Seeing pics of Pat just makes me want to cry and cry..... But, I know she wouldn't want that.... Man.... We're gonna miss her.....

Yeah!!! I can't say I've ever seen that before!! It'll be good leverage in the "Vintage marbles are not art because they were mass produced as toys" argument!! Also, just being called "Spangled Glass" which was acknowledged as an art glass term in it's time, is cool!!

Roger, you may be right about the name thing... Though, I don't think we need to expand on that!! I think the stretching ... in many cases.... is simply a way (Like with so many other names) to make money!! Those pictures are certainly what I would call a lovely lot of JC's!! Without even counting to see if there's REALLY (is it 5 or 6 and more colors?) the right amount of colors... Or, if the lines really do run a full length from end to end, or if there is clear openings showing through... All of those things are supposed to be the traits... But, it's really a "type" and not all of the type have every single part of the traits listed... The most important being the "Many" (damn, is it 5 or 6?) RANDOM colors (Meaning a quartered onionskin in blue / white and red / yellow, with 2 or 3 error spots of green and orange DOES NOT COUNT!!!) It's the number of colors that REALLY defines it's rarity and price range... Not the other parts of the definition. So, when you have a red, yellow, white and green "breezy" (meaning lots of open clear) marble, with the colors running top to bottom.... These usually are English style.... One should NOT be conned into paying JC prices for a Joseph's Coat that's just "missing a color or two... But, geez, it's close enough" ..... NO, it's not close enough... It may be an AWESOME marble and worth the asking price. But, any cost added on for the NAME, is moot.... The danger of learning by name and definition, rather than visual, is that a definition can lead a newbie to paying more for a common marble that appears to fit the definition / name (like the quartered onionskin) when it really isn't what was intended by that name... OTOH... A newbie could walk into a shop and see the most wonderful Joseph's Coat in the world for 5 bucks and walk away from it, because.... Maybe it's lines don't go top to bottom... Or, maybe there isn't any clear.... Kinda like me, scoffing (not really...) at a $1200 Superman, cuz there isn't any clearly defined yellow!! LOL

Yep... Basically, I guess we can call it mica... But, according to this Antiques Digest Articles site, it could also be goldstone / Lutz or even just "spatters" like onionskin... But, my guess would be the mica...

Roger, the only similar handmade "name" I can think of, that seems to fall into the same abyss as the machine made names, is the Joseph's Coat... There was a time when everyone who collected marbles knew exactly what a Joseph's Coat was. It was really quite simple.... Then, it became twisted, pulled, magnified and manipulated to the point where the name is now useless for an accurate ID. So..... Those of us who actually know what a Joseph's Coat is and understand why it has value, based on the rarity of it's original naming don't even try to figure it out by name anymore... In the end, it really comes down to knowing what the heck your looking at... Until photo technology advances to perfection, the internet will always be a crapshoot.

I'd have to do some research to be sure, but..... I believe "spangled glass" is glass with mica.... (digging in the deep caverns of my brain.... Finding cobwebs and echos...... LOL)

OK, I can see it, now... Though, it still kinda bugs me that there's really no clearly defined yellow (that first picture tries really hard....) I'd rather give in to it being a Superman than mention introducing "Super Teen!!" LOL And yes... As long as we can't simply walk up, pick it up and say, "Whoa!!! That's Cool," closer definitions are important.... One warning though..... Over the years, I've had to "adjust" to rearranging names in my head. Once a book has been written, or a name has been defined by a greater power than your own, you have to adjust to those changes, or fight it for life... I've tried to stand firm on some terms that were well established, with good reason. Then, some Blockhead comes along and decides it's not a good, or appropriate name and changes it in a book. Now, you have a world of collectors who know what they're talking about, a newbie comes up with a book and tells them they're all wrong and here's the PROOF!! ..... It's a tough thing to adjust to and naturally, it's going to piss you off.... Add to that..... For years, we collect German Swirls.... When we refer to "Swirls" we know what we're saying.... Now, you walk into a conversation about swirls and feel right at home, mention a pontil and everyone looks at you like you have 2 heads... THEY are talking about machine made swirls!!! OH!! Silly Me!!! :doh: The rules changed and I didn't get the new handbook... Excuse me while I crawl under the carpet!! Soooooooooooo, as long as your talking about making clearly defined definitions.... Just be aware... There's a kid out there somewhere, in 8th grade today, who's got the power to blow everything that your so carefully defining, right into space.... And, if you have an issue adjusting, you'd better be prepared to fight and uphill battle....

Roger, thank you!! Now I understand what you & Bo meant about that questionable Superman / boy that Alan ran... If the "group concensus" says that's a Superman by that definition, I guess I'd have to roll with it... But, I still find it tough to get past the thought of "What did Superman spill on his emblem to deserve that??" ROFL Galen makes a lot of sense here... We've taken a very "visual" hobby and thrust it into place where search "words" are the key.... Kinda like jammin' an octagon peg into a round hole. It wants to work, but it's not always easy.... But, as long as we're stuck with that, we might as well try to smooth it out as best as we can...

As far as I know, they are all fantasy... A word more about what Bo said... I would never try to tell anyone NOT to contact a seller about a fantasy piece being represented as old... BUT... I will warn you that it's really a futile cause... You could literally make a JOB out of trying to thin these (and the Atlanta marbles) out of ebay and... After a long enough time, you might actually think you've made some progress.... But, go on vacation for a week and just like dandelions.... BAMMM, they're BACK!! I'll take this opportunity to mention again.... For the "Many-ith" time.... (And Steph, I know you know this... But, it's always worth posting...) When contacting a seller please, PLEASE, PLEASE!! No matter what you think, always approach a seller from the viewpoint that they are ignorant of the fact that the item is new... I know, in many cases, it's a scam artist... But, in many other cases, it's a legit dealer who has purchased these things, thinking they have made a killing... Maybe they paid a LOT for them (silly, but it happens...) Alerting them to the fact that they have been made a fool and maybe paid dearly for it, is tough enough... Accusing them of being a scam artist or fraudulent seller, on top of that, is REALLY serious salt in the wound..... Try to be kind.....

Hey Griff, I'll see ya Friday!! I can't stay over til Saturday. But, I'll stay through the evening. :Happy_143:

Wow Joe, thanks so much for a great report!! I haven't been able to get to the board all weekend. It's great to come back to a treat!!! :Happy_143:

Those are awesome!! :Happy_050:

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Thanks Brad!! I knew we had one... I just couldn't find the sucker!!! Could we have buried it any deeper??? I'm pinnin' it here!!

No problem, Steph!! I really wasn't expressing an opinion as much as simply giving a nod to Marie.... Again, I apologize to those who are into "in depth history."

Damn!! I'm not good with the proper terms for explaining uploading photos to the board's host... If anyone can post a separate thread that explains it, I'll pin it!! Where's Budster when we need him???

Galen, it's not often that I can agree with Marie... We've had our difficulties and we both try hard to meet in the middle. I try to jump at the chance to make her feel at home. I'm sure everyone else can handle it...

Marie, I've been reading this thread and learning a little from it... Which is cool!! But, each time I read that title, I find myself saying the same as you!!! "Who Cares???" I'm also learning that a lot of people do care... So, we roll with it!! And, we learn stuff!! Thanks for having the guts to post what I've been thinkin'!!!! ROFL Disclaimer: This is in no way an attempt to belittle anyone who studies Akro Agate history!!