Steph Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I think I've got this right. Thought it could be interesting to consider, whether I do or don't! Here's the medal from the diaper fold thread. And then next are some things I observed which make it appear to be a reproduction. There might be more, such as surface texture, which I don't recognize. Or maybe I've got it wrong and the medal's original. Comments welcome. Thanks. (click to enlarge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeyecollector Posted September 18, 2009 Report Share Posted September 18, 2009 I have a Marble King Tournament medal in front of me. The relief and detail in the brass casting is excellent - the details are very sharp - especially on the face and clothes of the boy. On the other hand, it is difficult and unwise to make a call from a small picture with such low resolution. Are there better pictures available? Close up of face? Other side of the medal? From my experience --- reproductions of marble tournament medals are poor castings that lack crisp detail - especially when compared to an authentic tournament medal. Big Indian and a braid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Thanks for the response. Sorry I didn't answer the questions sooner. That was the only pic I had of that medal. I saw it in mswitzer's diaper fold thread and thought it might make for an interesting discussion. It gave me a chance to try to pick out some of the signs I saw in the ACRN article on repro medals. That article attributed most differences in appearance between old and new to the new ones being cast in molds where the old ones were "die struck the same way coins are minted." They elaborate: "A separate engraving of each side is forced against cold metal under great pressure. The result is a virtually flawless piece with very high detail." The molds for the new ones were made from old medals. So they have precision issues due to being copies, and then they have some problems connected with pouring hot metal rather than stamping cold. if I understand correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIRE81 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Side by side pics front/back of a repo and original are a MUST in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Why don't you ask the source??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Marbles Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Scott....Would you post any photos or insight you have on this matter??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswitzer3 Posted October 8, 2009 Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 Why don't you ask the source??? All I can say, is alot of speculation.Ive seen NO compairison pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 The subject had come up in the thread on fake sulphides. I thought perhaps some people might be interested in pursuing it in its own thread. And I thought there was a lot of info to be considered in the single view of the medal Scott showed even if no other views were available. If someone does have some comparison pix they would be willing to share that would be awesome. I actually have some detailed pix in front of me because I am looking at the ACRN article on repro medals. I know that both Scott and Hansel had a part in getting the examples for ACRN to study. However, there are copyright issues and I promised not to post any pix from the article. In case this thread is through and anyone else wants to pursue the subject further, you might want to check out the February 2000 issue of Antique and Collectors Reproduction News. Vol. 9 #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswitzer3 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 What is this one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Very cool looking. My guess is repro of a 1933 medal. Or something used in the process of making the repros? I don't have any idea how involved the process is or what the black has to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswitzer3 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 I am the only one with any kind of pics? My link "Or something used in the process of making the repros? I don't have any idea how involved the process is or what the black has to do with it." Clueless clueless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catfish Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Alicia Silverstone is pretty hot in that movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 "Or something used in the process of making the repros? I don't have any idea how involved the process is or what the black has to do with it." Clueless clueless Hmmmm, snickering at where I second guessed myself, but not my main guess. Does that mean I got it right the first time? So what is the black about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswitzer3 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 This isnt a race issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 So, is that a natural layer of something which shows up on top of the hardened silver? Anything to do with oxidation? That's where my guesses are heading at the moment. thanks for playing with me, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feelnmarbleous Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 This isnt a race issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswitzer3 Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 "So, is that a natural layer of something which shows up on top of the hardened silver? Anything to do with oxidation?" Could be XXXXXXXX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Old silver turns REALLY black with tarnish over time... That's a great yard sale benefit... Most folks think the black is bad and the metal worthless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 Kevin, I don't know Scott's exact role, but I know that he was instrumental in the production of the repro medals which were sent to ACRN for their study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigafoose Posted October 9, 2009 Report Share Posted October 9, 2009 "Or something used in the process of making the repros? Well who else would have something use for making fakes? The infamous SP of course!!! LOL..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mswitzer3 Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 i would say good analogy by only using a photograph I think I've got this right. Thought it could be interesting to consider, whether I do or don't! Here's the medal from the diaper fold thread. And then next are some things I observed which make it appear to be a reproduction. There might be more, such as surface texture, which I don't recognize. Or maybe I've got it wrong and the medal's original. Comments welcome. Thanks. (click to enlarge) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mswitzer3 Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Hmmmm, snickering at where I second guessed myself, but not my main guess. Does that mean I got it right the first time? So what is the black about? silver tarnishes over time but can be sped-up with a certain checmical? so it has been aged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steph Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 thanks. x2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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