Colorado Pelt

[Dave 13]

7 hours ago, wvrons said:

What about a yellow Colorado?   What about a green Colorado ?  What about orange Colorado ?  Is each different base color, transparent amber, clear, transparent green. or transparent blue, each a different name ?  Each color combination with each base color a different name ?  There is a MCS with green base glass, with blue, red and white ribbons. Is it a Green Liberty MCS ?   There is a MCS transparent green base with red or orange, blue and white ribbons. There are several base colors and ribbon color combinations. Are we naming all the MCS ? I read that MCS are always at least three colors plus the base. Then following that are pictures of two color ones and the base color.  Are we naming every MCS ?   I did not ask about a Blue Colorado, because I was not sure the Pelt experts and collectors had decided on that. It does not seem right to me to have only a blue. So if it is true then we should have a Yellow Colorado and Green Colorado and more. If the majority of long time Peltier collectors agree that the Pelt info site is the guide for Peltier named marbles ? Then that is what I will use, no problem.  I think the best answers to most of the questions come from the people who named the marble. If they are no longer with us, then from one or more people who knew them well and knows the answers. Anyone can put up a web site or a facebook page and add any name to any marble. Does that mean it should be accepted by collectors ?  That is exactly what is happening on Ebay now.  If the majority of collectors accept a Blue Colorado that is fine. My next question is where is the Yellow Colorado, Green Colorado, etc ?  

Someone who ever named the original Colorado likely thought it was special. They also know why they picked Colorado as the name. But I don't know who that was ?  Special marbles should have special names. But not all marbles can be special, being rare, limited numbers, better quality, set apart from the usual group. etc.  Special marbles have higher values because of being rare, quality, set apart from the usual group. Not all but many have separate names from or in addition to a group name. If every MCS has a certain name, what is special or the separation about that ?  Name every marble and no name has any meaning or value. Plus no human could remember them.  Marble names are more confusing every year. Marble names are losing the original intent every year. Because there are already way to many marbles with names. I resisted for lots of years but I named marbles and left it up to collectors to decide if they used the name or not . It helps if we know the answers for the name.  Who, why, and what are the requirements for a marble to be such.. Named marbles are a benefit but also can cause lots of confusion if not controlled some. That control is up to collectors. Maybe tomorrow I will pick a MCS that I have and name it the West Virginian. I can put it on a web site or facebook page. If that makes it official and collectors have to go by it. I don't know what the answers are for the future of marble names ?

I just wanted to know what the original intent was from who and why for naming a Peltier MCS a Colorado. Plus what the requirements were for that certain named marble. That named marble has branched to another and compounded the confusion.  As the names pile up so does the confusion and they have less meaning and value.  Just follow this thread from the start to see it.  I am going to the Canton OH show today. I thought that I might look for a Colorado. But I have changed my mind. 

Once every marble has a certain name. We all will have certain named marbles. And all our collections will be worth more.  

 

 

 

 

No comment ,But i did learn something 

[cheese]

I agree, the only marble I know of as a Colorado is the one shown in the very first pic. I also wonder why it's called that.

[Steph]

On 2/9/2022 at 10:07 PM, Fire1981 said:

Pelts are without a doubt the main marbles that are attached to the name game. A Pop Eye is a Pop Eye. It’s not a Jiffy Pop. If you asked an Akro Salesman you wanted to see a corkscrew they would help you open your bottle of wine. Why? If you asked them to show you a Spiral ? They would show you a marble. 

In the 1930's, "Spiral" was a specific type of corkscrew -- a colored ribbon (or a white ribbon) with clear base glass.  

But I did see some prominent marble literature from maybe the 1980's which said "spirals" when talking about corks.  It might have been a MCSA publication.  That's when I learned that there was some time period when "spiral" was the common term.  I don't know when that started or how long it lasted.  

And I don't know when or where we got "corkscrew".  I have wondered that also. 

[wvrons]

I talked with Sami in person yesterday about the Colorado. There is a Colorado and a Blue Colorado. The key is that these need to have a CLEAR base. Not tinted or even slightly tinted green, blue, amber, etc.  I guess the clear base is rare for a MCS.  So this is likely why they have names, it separates them from all the other millions of MCS.  Yesterday at the Canton OH show I did find at least four or five MCS with opaque white, green, and orange swirled ribbons.  But all had some green tint or green in the base. Sami had two of those. So the CLEAR base is the factor that separates these from the other millions of MCS. 

I now know some of the requirements for a Colorado.

Most will be MCS.

A clear base

Opaque swirled ribbons of green, white and orange.

 Any other questions I don't have the answers.   number of ribbons, who named it, why Colorado   ???

The Blue Colorado is a MCS with a clear base.  

Someone else can answer the rest.

 

[Dave 13]

Cool thanks for the info Ron 😎