Looking to confirm Greiner, single gather?

[thaservices]

45/64 out of round, ground pontil, a portion of the bubbles are encapsulating or covered by white

[I'llhavethat1]

Not the best pics but I think I see what you're thinking with that marble.  

[thaservices]

4 minutes ago, I'llhavethat1 said:

Not the best pics but I think I see what you're thinking with that marble.  

Thank you🙏

[Fire1981]

I see lobes which might make it a Navarre or Barberton 🔥

RAR

[thaservices]

15 hours ago, Fire1981 said:

I see lobes which might make it a Navarre or Barberton 🔥

RAR

Thanks. I must ask what lobes refers to? Since the info I first looked at spoke of ground pontil pointing to Griener I did not read much further on Navarre, just that they had a specific to them rounded(?) pontil. Did they too grind pontils at first before moving on to their special technique? And also, since these kind are single gather, pontil would be the right technical term even in glass work right? 

[akroorka]

8 hours ago, thaservices said:

And also, since these kind are single gather, pontil would be the right technical term even in glass work right? 

Right on. 
Each of these had two cutoffs--every marble does.
You have the terms right on.

I have not found anything in my research to call this one or the other.

It is an easy one to fake.

More opinions are needed here.

@Alan has more experience with this stuff--he may check in here.

Marble--On!!

 

[Alan]

At that fairly small size it is an unusual piece, especially with that glass.  It looks like the glass had some issues and possibly debris or soot.  A single gather that is cup-worked will have a single pontil, as this appears to.  The glass is odd enough that it is a little surprising that they chose to work it before it settled down.  Good condition for its age.

ETA: Speculation - Once the glass settled down to what was possibly a single color - that color would be close to a Melon Ball of the era.

[thaservices]

The collection this came from, he was a collector of all sorts of stuff but not an avid collector, when his son inherited everything and the family sorted everything out no one had interest in the marbles or teddy bears so his son, our friend, set the marbles out on a vending table at a few flea markets. He said at first people were picking though excitedly and happily giving him $5 each on them, and he did that maybe a year or two before he gave them to me to figure out. What's left has turned out to be run of the mill from beginning to about mid 90s. I did find an MFC, an Akro Cardinal Red, several corkscrews, a few slags I am fairly certain were CAC, many clays of course, so I assume what ever of really obviously collectible ones got fished out. I found this mixed in with the clearies and industrial ones. 😅 Our friend said he thought he remembered his father buying the collection whole somewhere in the late 80s and he would just pick up odds and ends to add to it, but never really studied them or anything. I found a small handful of Jabo and maybe one bag's worth of Vacor, a few fantasy bags and one modern Chinese handmade. So I've been puzzling over it for awhile, maybe the collection was rather extensive and well curated before he flea marketed them🤔 And the majority, even the commons, have been in rather good shape. This one has been by far the most interesting to try and figure out.

[thaservices]

So the possibilities of it being a fake? The pontil is, in my opinion coming from lapidary, just downright lazy in comparison to the other examples I've seen pictures of so far. The style is correct, but they took no time to really blend it nicely. You mention they had to keep production up, possibly that whole, eh this one turned out funky, oh well, grind grind, good enough sort of thing? Are the fakes good? Do any of you have some examples I can compare it with? Thanks again for all your help, I have learned tons of new things. Much appreciated 🙏

[Alan]

2 hours ago, thaservices said:

So the possibilities of it being a fake? The pontil is, in my opinion coming from lapidary, just downright lazy in comparison to the other examples I've seen pictures of so far. The style is correct, but they took no time to really blend it nicely. You mention they had to keep production up, possibly that whole, eh this one turned out funky, oh well, grind grind, good enough sort of thing? Are the fakes good? Do any of you have some examples I can compare it with? Thanks again for all your help, I have learned tons of new things. Much appreciated 🙏

My fake or reworked meter is pretty well-tuned and I'm not shy about expressing my view in that respect.

I don't see any signs of either.  Additionally, there is no motivation to do so because its not a marble that would be sought by collectors for any appreciable amount.  The glass suggests to me that they did a small gather before the glass was ready and this was the result.

[thaservices]

Thanks again so much for your insights. I shall call it the ugly duckling😍