Alley 'Carnival'?

[SequoiaBET]

I just saw your post from last week in the my favorite marbles forum, Chad, and thought to myself- I think I have one of those. Do I? I feel the colors are the same, but yours definitely has a nicer pattern. Mine is 5/8 (.62) inch with no UV.

[akroorka]

This is a very nice swirl--I would call it an "Alley Agate" made marble.

I appreciate all opinions and hope to see some more.

Marble--On!!

[VaMarbles]

Unfortunately IMHO not a Carnival.  Here’s one of ours but I think Chad didn’t think it was one? But I’m fairly sure it is  

Some think the carnival is the holy grail of Alleys?  Not sure about that but I’ve only seen 2  

 

 

[Fire1981]

The OP's yellow and red swirls are burnt. It's a could have been a Flaming Dragon but it's not. It's not hard to imagine this marble with bright red and yellow swirls.🔥

RAR

[Fire1981]

That's what you get when you play with 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

RAR

[SequoiaBET]

Thanks for the pics VaMarbles- that's a nice mib!

[cheese]

Alley but later thana  carnival. Close though and still very nice!

[schmoozer]

Found in the wild locally last year.

[SequoiaBET]

So please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly make one a carnival? To my untrained eye, the 2 marbles that Schmoozer and VaMarble posted pictures of look very different, as does the one Chad posted that originally caught my eye and I thought looked similar t mine. All of your help in my continuing education is much appreciated!

[VaMarbles]

41 minutes ago, SequoiaBET said:

So please excuse my ignorance, but what exactly make one a carnival? To my untrained eye, the 2 marbles that Schmoozer and VaMarble posted pictures of look very different, as does the one Chad posted that originally caught my eye and I thought looked similar t mine. All of your help in my continuing education is much appreciated!

If you check out Cheese new WV swirl book it shows a few different examples of carnivals.  I’ve seen variations but all of them must have black.  I’ve only seen two in the wild in 2 years of collection hard. 

[Fire1981]

VaMarbles I think your’s is from the pits. The anneal fractures kind of points that in that direction. I also think the orange on your’s got to hot and burned. Do take this the wrong way. It’s a great marble🔥

RAR

[SequoiaBET]

Thanks VAMarbles. The pics in the book do help. So it seems the base glass can be blue or green. For sure, mine has no black.

[cheese]

The base glass is only green. Then you have the black and orange/red/yellow. I believe Alley tried to reproduce them at St. Marys, maybe more than once, and came close but they were different. Here is a carnival for reference, from the West Virginia Swirls Identification book.

 

[SequoiaBET]

Thanks for clarifying Cheese. I think I got it now! (And no, sadly, my OP isn't one.)