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Is the base glass translucent - they're not really giving me a Vitro vibe. Vitro Whities would either be on an opaque white base or the white and colors would be veneered on clear transparent. I'm thinking Pelt or perhaps Kokomo. Are they opalescent or do they glow under UV?

I agree - a helix would be a single continuous line spiraling around the marble - it should have two obvious ends. Also, the book is referring to glazed China (ceramic/porcelain) marbles. The ones you're showing may also be Chinas but they are unglazed.

They all look like Rainbos to me - nice Sunset on the right. Wait, how many ribbons do you count on the left one - is there one that's like a big loop?

These must be ultra rare since I have never seen them, and I still can't. 🙂

It would be helpful to see the opposite side of the patch from what you are showing. In the meantime, here's a pic of some Acme Realers to compare to . . .

In honor of Bill McCaleb, I'll post some of his little pretties . . . As I've said elsewhere, he sure knew a good one when he saw it.

It might help, or it might just be the marble, or me. 🙂

I would guess foreign on the right one, and probably the left one too. But it's really hard to make out the seams on that one so I am not 100% sure.

What size are these marbles, Melissa? From these views, a few look like JABO to me. At least four different views of a marble are really helpful for an accurate ID, especially with swirls, since it's tough to follow the pattern and get a good picture of the marble in your head with fewer than that (six photos; top, bottom and four sides is even better - think of the mib as a cube). This is especially helpful, sometimes even necessary, if it's a tough call between multiple makers. But given that, it's obvious to me you have come a long way with your photos - these are great!

I think one of the things that becomes difficult with names, in general, is that the name itself or the definition of the marble characteristics that fits the name changes over the long term, and it becomes nearly impossible to keep up with it all, especially if you have been a long time collector like our friend @Jeff54 and many others. Not only are you trying to keep up with newly named marbles but you are trying to keep up with how the names of marbles you once knew as X have changed to Y. It all gets very confusing. When I started collecting, Dragons were NLRs with a darker green base and red ribbons. Flaming Dragons had to show yellow in addition to the red (those marbles are, apparently, now just called Dragons). Of course, if you mix red and yellow, you get orange and I think eventually the requirement that that Flaming Dragons show yellow was dropped, and any marble with orange in addition to red became "flaming" even if no yellow is showing. It's important to remember that when many long time collectors started, few if any machine made marbles even had names, except maybe the ones given to them by kids who played the game, and there was no internet available to the masses so regional differences in names and required characteristics were fairly common. Naming marbles was something that people collaborated on in person, or a rotary phone, or by snail mail using old-time photos printed on paper. Seriously, the name game is way more complicated than many people realize. Myself, I have been tempted many times to just give up on it, but names can be very helpful, especially to new collectors, so I continue to do my best to keep up with it. The old timers have passed hundreds of thousands, maybe millions, of marbles through their hands, and they know which ones they've seen thousands of and which ones they've seen three of. Like my recently departed friend Billy used to say, "I know a good marble and a rare marble when I see it and I collect what I like." It's a good strategy too, since many beautiful and rare machine made marbles don't have names - at least that I know of. 🙂 So if we are conversing, and I call a certain type of green based NLR with yellow ribbons a "John Deere", please go easy one me - that's what I called them for many years, and add to that the fact that no one I know has ever seen a yellow John Deere tractor with green lettering. There, I feel much better now. 😄

It's pretty neat the way one cutoff of each marble in that Pelt double are buried in the interface between the ingots and the others are on opposite sides of the double. The whole thing is remarkably round too - very cool.

That pumpkin colored patch on the Moss Agate is an Akro tell, IMO.

At this point, I concur with Art - they are most likely JABO.

Oh boy, I'll have to look in my Akro stash - I set the small ones aside too. I'll see what I can dig up but it may take a while, I have more marbles than I know what to do with and finding them could take awhile.

I am sure some of those don't glow but do you know if any of the ones with red and blue ribbons don't glow? I sure would like to know for future reference.

It sure looks Vitro to me - love the patch color.

@akroorka I'd be surprised to see transparent red on a near peewee Akro but I sure haven't seen them all.

The left one looks foreign to me, the center does look like an Akro Corkscrew, and the third looks like a JABO to me too - cut-lines do appear on them sometimes.

Your photos aren't so bad - just need more various views

No JABOs here that I can see - the first one looks sorta brick-ish, IMO. I'd like to see more and different views of each.

In my experience, the base on the yellow & blue ones and the red & blue ones have a similarly intense response to UV - seems about the same for yours.

I agree with that!

The base glows bright on the red ones just like the yellow ones - at least in the examples I have, although that could be a selection bias on my part. Do you have similar that don't glow?

JABO did make them that size.