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For fun and info and because it's just so cool, here's a web-friendly size copy of the pic Steve (n2marbles) posted of his world's fair bag with the shooter dwarfing the other marbles. He said I could use it for the thread. Ain't it kewl! And big! Steve, is that a sunburst?

There are a lot of links I need to add to this, but I need to get back to reading old threads to find them all. If you have any recent favorites, I'd love to hear about them here or by PM. Peltier Glass Company (1886-present) Caches of information have been building up at other sources since I started this thread. See also: Original Packaging Peltier Timeline Mostly Pix - Peltier The factory: Pics From Ottowa Il, The Peltier Glass Co. Various examples and discussions: Peltier First And Second Runs? This is new to me (some good history) Idle Question For An Expert (slag and NLR discussion, more good history) Comics & Ppps (More good history) Pelt Pieces Need To Verify This Marble (the Peltier flip-flop) Show Me Your Grey Based Pelts! My Rainbos Are Sick (dirty bubble syndrome) Question For Pelt Collectors? (I would still like to hear more about this!) Peltier Lantern Wasp Bee Hybrid? Opaque Red Based Peltier (it's sometimes difficult to determine the base color) I Wanna See Your Rainbows, Any size any maker A Controversial Thread (Superman vs. Superboy, and other stuff) Slags (National Onyx): The Sky is Blue, say what? Something For The Pelt Lovers... (assorted slag colors) A Little Something For The Peltier Lovers... Peltier White Slags? Peltier Poll (follow-up to clear pelt slag discussion here) Mostly Pix - Gropper Miller Swirls? A Controversial Thread (see post 21) Pelt Mail !!, The Most Underated Pelts..... Multi-Color Swirls: Best Viewed In Hd Unusual Pelt Pelt Mail !!, The Most Underated Pelts..... Comics: Mostly Pix - Peltier Dumb As A Rock, Sometimes ya cant see for looking Someone needs to add a decent textbook explanation about the comics reproduction boxes. I'll try to remember when I run across the explanation again. Peerless Patches: Grandparent's Collection, Need Help With Id & Values! Marble Mail, Extra NICE Peltier Patch (Bruiser) Un-corked Corks, Or ... ?, (2 for ID) Calling All Peerless Patch Lovers!!, "Smoke 'em if you got 'em!" Later Peerless Patches Identifying Peltier Peerless Patch Marbles Fun With Peerless Patches (Comic marbles, with some "normal" patches, along with some wild shapes) Pearlized Patch: Could This Be A Pearlized Peltier Patch On Blue? Calling All Peerless Patch Lovers!! "Smoke 'em if you got 'em!" (See post 19) Show Us Your Favorite Patches! (Patry's patches in Post #13) Acme Realer: Moss Agate Or Cloudy Type Marbles, Akro, Master, Peltier, Alley, who else? (box in post #3) IDing Acme Realers from Pictures, (can be tricky!) Name Game (Post #1) Acme Realers Honey Onyx: Whatcha Think? (Post #8) Mostly Pix - Peltier (Post #10) NLR vs. Rainbo: Would this be NLR or Rainbo?, Does it have a name? Is It A Bird, Is It A Plane --- Superman, right?? Colors Of The Rainbo Colors Are Right For A Pelt Sub, But..., I don't think it is... NLR anyways?? Nlrs Vs. Rainbos, Am I confused? Pelt Rainbo Names Pelt Pieces Pelt? Talk To Me About This Pelt Please (this has the myth in it about rainbo ribbons running deep and NLRs being more at the surface.) "Tweeners" (possibly late NLR to early Rainbo) Pelt Rainbo ? Pelt? (wide ranging NLR vs. Rainbo discussion) Tracers? Bloodies? Rainbos? Huh? (just found out that Bloodies came in National Marbles boxes as well as the more modern big value assortment style - they might be true tweeners) The Peltier Timeline: Cool Oddball Pelt Rainbo, (haven't seen one before) Peltier Windshield marbles revisited A Peltier, new one for me Later Peerless Patches National Marbles Or National Line, Which Came First? Pelt Rainbo Names Various NLR's: (if you think any of these threads don't actually have NLR's in them, please let me know) Need To Verify This Marble (the tell-tale peltier flip-flop on a Ketchup and Mustard) Never Seen Before, Peltier ("Blue Deere", you might say) Yellow Adventurine, On Pelt's of course (Golden Rebel) Pelt Question From Exciteable (Golden Rebel) Pelt Chocolate Cow Peltier Burnt Xmas Tree! Superman Oddity Killer Peltier K&ms (also a liberty) Is This A Blue Galaxy ???, Auction Pic from this morning.....I lost Northeast Marble Meet (Green Galaxy in post #5) MM: Why Blue Galaxy? (Green Galaxy in post #7) Look What I Caught Galen Doing On Camara!, Orange County Show Hey Scott!! It's Here.., The Pelt Bengal Tiger! Its The Mailman Again Pelt Panda? Rarest Pelts?, Anyone own one? (Zebra vs. Panda, pix in Post #6, plus a lot of other great mibs) Name That Pelt! Please.... (Blue Pandas in post #11) Marble Pictures (brown zebra) Peltier Post - Part Two - Cool Zebra W Green Aventurine Hey Hey Hey Heres A Pelt !!!, got a name for it ? (anemic Bumble Bee) Unusual Peltier, wannabe golden rebel ???? (Ruby Bee) A Couple Of Nice Ones (blue bee) Blue Aventurine In Older Mibs Can you show some examples please? (blue bee) Could This Be A Peltier Sub? Name Game (Superman, Spiderman, K&M, Cub Scout, John Deere, Christmas Tree) Whats This Un Number2 (is this a brown traveller? I've seen many different looking marbles identified as brown traveller.) Does Any One Have One Like This . Peltier (See Post #5. Is it a brown traveller and/or moody blue or neither?) Peltier Green Lantern?!?! (Green Hornet and Green Lantern) Taking Advantage Of The Name Game???, or is this ligit??? (Discussion about a "Black and Blue", or "Blue and Black", and a Bruiser -- the Bruiser would be a different marble?) Better Yet (Orange Rebel) Miller Greycoat Pelt ? (Golden Dragon) Rare Peltier Nlr Pink (Strawberries N Cream) Some names I've seen before, left here now as a reminder of things to look for later: Flaming Dragon Flaming Golden Dragon Lemon Lime (and other green & yellow pelts?) Gecco Red Zebra Blue Zebra Angels: Name Of This Pelt??, an angel? Marble Mail Citrus Set (NLR's): Does This Pelt Have A Name? yesterdays marblemail, citrus set (some history) A Very Very Touchy Subject Blueberry Anyone? Is This A Peltier Liberty Or What? Various rainbos: Mostly Pix - Peltier (Big Value boxes full of rainbos in post #6 and 9, mesh bags with rainbos in post #4) Unknown Vintage Marble My New Marble Box (old box, marbles not orginal to the box is the marble bag original?) Are These **pelts** Hard To Find ? 3 Color, A slice of keylime Some Fav Rainbos!, What are yours 2 Cool Pelts, Anyone Have One Like These? Black-based Rainbos Baseball: Name Game (Post #22) Clown: My Find Labed #13, hope this is a peltier clown Copperhead: Anyone Have A Pelt Copperhead, for sale or trade? (They're not NLRs? I did not know that!) Windshield: Peltier Windshield marbles revisited A Simple Rainbo.. Id Help Please....vitro Or Ca? Windshield Again Transparent Base: Cool Crystal Clear Peltier Rainbo Id Help For Ebay Listing, Vitro's or peltier clear rainbos Transparent base wasp Peltier... Am I Right On The Name? (clear ketchup and mustard) Transparent Peltier 6 fingers, pelt vs. vitro with similar look 13/16 Orange Rainbo (?), we had a thread about these before Nlrs Vs. Rainbos, Am I confused? Tri-color Rainbo: Champion Jr.: We Are The Champions? Tracers: Name Of This Pelt??, an angel? Peltier Tracer, is this a common color Tracers 7-ups: Name Game (Post #5) Sunsets: Bloodies: Mostly Pix - Peltier (Post #6) Muddies: Look At These Two Father And Son. Ha, Ha. What Kind Of Peltiers Are These? Woodies: A few pelts, Note: a few hundred (post #48 at present -- could change if something else is merged) Broken corks: Definitions (Post #6) Banana Cat's Eyes: Banana Weeekend Finds, How'de you make out this weekend Is This A Pelt Or Master Cat Eye Experimentals: Experimental Cat's eyes? Other Pelt experimentals? Peewees: Pelt Pee-wee Cat's-eyes ????, Galen's " Little Pretty " has me wondering. Pelt Baby Rattle Ohh Yeah Shameless Peltier Plug Christmas In June Sit A Spell And Tell Me More About Peewees Shooters: Id Help Please....vitro Or Ca? Did Peltier Make Alot Of 1 Inch Marbles..??? Weeekend Finds, How'de you make out this weekend Peltier Juicy Fruit Aventurine discussion: Yellow Adventurine, On Pelt's of course Fluorescence discussion: tba: most link which comes to mind is not available Oxblood? Odd One Oxblood Line Different Pelts Metallic? LOM: Pelt? -- since attachments are periodically removed at LOM, here is Al's pic: (click to enlarge) Nova group, including Rootbeer Floats: May 2009: So Whats The Scoop On Peltier Rootbeer Floats, were they only made in a limited size? This is a pretty powerful thread summarizing information about Rootbeer Floats, Novas, and other members of the extended Nova family. Contributors include David Chamberlain who before this has often been quoted but not been online to contribute personally. I'll keep the other links below at least for the time being, but this is where you should start for an introduction and return to for a summary. (in my opinion - thanks! -sch, 5/22/2009) Look What I Caught Galen Doing On Camara!, Orange County Show Pelt Novas Believe It Or Not (this is a follow-up of sorts to the preceding link) Peltier Nova History L@@k !!! My Very First Peltier Root Beer Float !!!, Thank you so much Carole Pelt Root Beer Float MM: Root Beer Floats, Novas, and Pink Champagnes (article by David Chamberlain) NOT Rootbeers: First of all, if it is not a large marble, 7/8" or 15/16", you already know it cannot be a rootbeer. They were limited edition marbles, all large, all made on a single day in 1989. If This Aint A "peltier Root Beer Float" Then What Is It?, The experts say no! and i wana know why? Is This A Root Beer Float? Peltier Root Beer Float?, I think i hit the jackpot!! Other discussion: Peltier Red Root Beer Float Type. Help. "First Run" and "Second Run": Pelts, 1st & 2nd runs First Run Pelts Other unusual examples: Unusual Peltier, for the pelt lovers.... New Pelt (wow, what a "V"!) Help Identify ("Polar Bear") Purple Ribbon Pelt Peltiers (golden debris) A Little Unusual (check out the bifurcated pelt in the middle of the pic in Post #4) Mica In A Pelt ?, look at this !!!!!! (silvery bubbles) Lemme' See All Your "junk" Mibs!! Bad Boy Rainbos "Triple" seam? Cullet and/or dug: Just A " Piece " Of My Mind !!!! Cool New Nlr Addition..., with some grey (interesting NLR, plus discussion about dug pelts) Peltier Picture Gallery: A few pelts, Note: a few hundred Couple Of New Big Ones, Note: very pretty pelts Todays Marble Mail Peltier: Your Best/rarest Three Secondary Peltiers (There are definitely more pelt picture parades on the board. It's a matter of finding the links.)

Is this the post you had in mind, The Master Marble/glass Show And Info Thread? Did you happen to notice the shooter in n2marbles' bag? Not a clearie. Maybe a Sunburst, maybe not, but definitely not a clearie. The only non-clearie boulder I recall "seeing" in original packaging.

Elizabeth, following another line of thought, I was just wondering if you would have a pic of plain old banana cat's eyes in assorted colors you could add here? The common cats are soooooooooooo hard to find pix of!

I dunno. Maybe we could get a clue from the Mirro cookie press though? I'd guess it has something to do with the shape of the spigot the colored glass comes out of. For instance, if there's an open x-shape, maybe that'd explain the connected vanes. But four unconnected little lines for the glass to stream out of would give four separate vanes? Could it be as simple as that?

Thanks for your numbers, John, and I'll try to find that thread. What got me thinking about it today was the big 'un in n2marbles' 1933 world's fair bag. I was just looking at it, enjoying the original packaging, when wham all of a sudden I realized I was staring at a shooter. I never noticed it before!

There's been some debate over large-sized Master's. I have no idea what the consensus opinion is on how big they got, or how common big ones were. Or what styles big ones were found in. I would like to hear more about that.

This link has some pix of College Collection boxes from the fair. This link has a rare bag from the fair. Note that it says, Visit Master's House of Marbles. . . . p.s. the bag has a shooter which looks like it could be of the sunburst variety! Somewhere I've read a description of Master's House of Marbles. I could barely believe it when I read it. I really need to find that! Anyone here have it?

If you're interested in owning cool marble-related things, check out Marble Bert's auctions. And check it out soon. Don't know how much longer anyone could keep these things coming. Really great stuff! Tournament winner medals, catalogs, postcards, statues of kids playing marbles, and on and on.

This might be a fun site to browse through. Apparently you can have jewelry and keychains made with your own marbles. And change the marbles in and out. Got All Your Marbles?, Jewelry with Interchangeable Marbles ******************************************* ******************************************* Another neat site: Artistic Stemware They make glasses with Vacor marbles: I think there was some discussion of the artist using her own marbles. Might have some by now. ******************************************* ******************************************* Marblies! http://www.marblies.com/

Baseballs: The pelt rainbo is mine. Don't know whose the ball is. And here are some Bruce Troeh baseballs, 1" and 3/8", from the 2006 season, as presented by Marble Bert on eBay.

While I'm thinking about it here's one of the other kind of stoppers, one with the marble built into the lid. It was posted here in 2005 by lifeisgood81.

That was very interesting ... and very complicated. I'm sure I didn't understand it all. Just enough to think that I might get it if I try again when my brain has had time to recover. Those inventors were getting really fancy.

Now this is pretty funny! What do you think about these? (ebay auction photo)

dittos to Ann. Cat's eyes are relatively easy to collect, and the Peterson and Castle book gives a nifty checklist for what to start looking for.

That's an interesting package. It does have the choking hazard warning, but it's not an extra sticker added on. To the best of my understanding, the 1970's packages said "40 American Made Glass Marbles" in the lower left corner, and the white choking hazard sticker was placed over that. The package I see at that link is practically identical to the 1970's packages, but it has the choking hazard warning down on the lower left where the 1970's packages said American Made. So it appears that for awhile Marble King was selling modified 1970's packages, with the white sticker added on after the law changed in 1979. And now they've moved to Retro packages, in the 1970's style, but with the choking hazard warning built in. And check it out, the retro packages have the "40 American Made Glass Marbles" statement back, but now it's on the belly of the little guy in the top right corner. That's pretty cool.

I think it would be educational to see something along the lines of what Dani showed with the slags vs. transparent swirls. A line-up of oxbloods and a line-up of reds, side by side. Might help bring the concept home. I can't supply it. So it's just a thought. :-) edit: I was able to do a comparison shot after all. Red on top. Left and right oxblood. Bottom probably oxblood (I think it is but it's hard to see in just a photo because the oxblood ribbon goes below the surface in a strange way).

One thing which isn't a slag but which can be confused for one is a "transparent swirl". I don't know how to explain the difference.

I did some research to find when the choking hazard warning labels started. My best guess was that it was the result of the 1979 Child Safety Protection Act. That's why I was hopeful that these blister packs might be from the 1970's. (But after 1972, because they have the "for ages 3 and up" advice, which I think started in 1973, when the 1972 Consumer Product Safety Act was implemented.)

Does that mean you have more? :-) Edit: yes, she has more! (Aren't those kewl!)

This scan shows a pelt box labeled "National Marbles" (preprinted) with "Specials" stamped in the middle. What year might this box have come from? Are these "tweeners"? Source: p. 137 of American Machine-Made Marbles

I _think_ the stopper was in the neck of the bottle. And I _think_ the marble was wider than both the mouth of the bottle and the opening at the bottom of the neck. Definitely wider than the mouth of the bottle. Both the marble and the bottle being made of glass, I don't imagine there was a tool which could reach in and pull the marble out through the mouth. I read somewhere the kids used to break the bottle open to get the marble out.

That line would be one of the seams of the marble. (Well, the only seam of this marble, since it's only half there!) It wouldn't hurt to consider one of the seams of a two-seam marble as the "top", and the other as the "bottom". It's relative, I'm sure! (lol) Some people might consider the seams as being on the side. But for me, the two seams are definitely the first and second things I look at. So, "top" and "bottom" would work for me. So, to recap, the vertical line in Carole's first marble "where the red meets the yellow" is the seam. The three red bands and the yellow band are called ribbons. Carole's marble has six ribbons. We can see those four in the first picture. In the 2nd picture, we can see signs of all six, four red and two yellow. And we can see that they extend all the way from the part we see running along on the surface, to the very middle of the marble.

Felicia, I'm not sure I understand your question. I was just about to come and write a note thanking Carole (thanks Carole, those are real gems!) and making an explanation for newbies who might be reading this and maybe don't know about the issues about how deep colors go in NLR's. Over the course of many years, Peltier made many marbles called "Rainbos". The style changed over the years. In the early days, their boxes said National Line on them, and so we call their earliest Rainbos "National Line Rainbos". Here's a box Galen likes to show. It says National Rainbo Line, not National Line Rainbo! .. but we call them NLR's. I think National Line was sort of the brand, and Rainbo was the style name. There's a picture here, Some More Rainbos, No. 6 Pelt NLR Stock Box, with a great view of the contents of the box. This box gives Rainbo as the style name and doesn't say "National Line" on the view showing, but it still says "National". Specifically, "National Toy Marbles". So, those are the older style rainbos, the NLR's. On the archived copy of Marble Alan's Peltier Glass Company page, he says that the NLR's were made from about the late 1920's to the late 1930's. And then Peltier's later rainbos, which we just call plain Rainbos, appear to have been made from about the late thirties, through the 1940's. [Edit: they were made longer than the 40's. At least into the 60's. Maybe longer than that.] There has been a sort of rule of thumb in circulation that the ribbons on the older National Line Rainbos stay mostly on the surface, and the ribbons on the newer, plain "Rainbos" run deeper. But Carole is showing National Line Rainbo halves. And you can see that the ribbons in those run all the way to the middle. The ribbons in the first picture are what you see on the outside surface of the marble. The second picture is the middle of the marble. The ribbons in the second picture are the same ribbons that you see on the surface. They're thinner, but running so deep that you can still see them in the middle. So ... we see that things aren't as cut and dried with NLR's as the old rule of thumb says. :-)

I've read about that before, about the stoppers, that is. (I hadn't read that exact page, where it mentioned "hand-pressed" marbles. That's another subject I'll have to remember to get back to on a later date.) I've heard about/seen two different kinds of marble stopper. One built into the lid, and just rolling around in a sort of a cage. So, it would rely on gravity to hold the seal when the bottle was upright and not in use. And the second built into the neck of the bottle, I think. And I think that may have relied on the pressure of the carbonation pushing it up to keep the seal. (That's the Codd bottles ... I think.) I don't know. I haven't even seen a picture of a Codd bottle, not since I learned about the marble inside and started keeping my eye out for one. I would love to know how the bottle was made. And how they got both the marble and the drink inside it. lol