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Used pretty much concurrently? Or are there some vague age demarcations? or is there little-to-no info on which boxes came first, middlin' and last? Of course what I've been most curious about for the longest time is that nebulous area "between" NLR's and Rainbos. If some boxes were definitely pre-1930, and some were definitely post-1935 and some likely post-1940, or post WWII ... for example ... that could help some other jigsaw pieces fall into place. ... that's my hope .... It's more of a curiosity to me now than it used to be. It used to seem vital. I used to "need" to understand when and where and how "tweeners" happened. Now, I'm beginning to get why some don't care. It's either got the NLR look or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it can still be pretty, but quit trying to force things into the NLR box. I get that now. But I'm still _interested_. :-)

Here's the spinner cup Brian Graham shared awhile back. (The thread was lost in the reorganization of the board. He gave me the okay to repost it.) Thanks Brian. :-)

Oh my. Now this would have been a fun present to give and get! An O' Boy! gift box. (click to enlarge) From the Marquee auction description:

Peppermint? Not sure how blue came to be needed to qualify a marble as a "Peppermint Swirl", but otherwise the similarities in appearance between the marble and the candy are fairly strong. imho :-) . . (1) (2)

Which boxes would be older, "National Line" or "National Marbles"? These are both Peerless boxes so I thought they'd be interesting for comparison. The first is one Lizzy posted awhile back of someone's grandparents' mibs. It's the only "National Line" box I've been able to find in my saved photos, which seems really weird to me since the name is so famous. The second is from Norm's collection at Bonham's. (Both say "National Toy Marbles" on one end. On the opposite end the National Line box says it was "Manufactured by M. Gropper & Sons, Inc., New York, N. Y., U. S. A." Don't know what's on the other end of the National Marbles box.)

It's a plausible story. A bench mounted press doesn't sound like it would take up a lot of room. Sounds to me as if it would have been relatively easy to hide.

I'm not certain how many more champion threads we have but I'm sure there are some. Especially in the category of new old fashions and furnace scrapings. Champion Agate Company (1938-present?) See also Original Packaging Various examples and discussion: Champion's Last Years? Ravenswood Shooter ???, ...and a Nameless NLR (reference to Champion shooter size) Mostly Pix - Champion Agates MM: Champion Agate Co. (an article by David Chamberlain) Champion Agate Appreciation Show & Tell Assorted Swirls: Some Cool Champion Swirls A Champion, Me Thinks (The pix in Post #7 are labelled Mid70s.) No Clue On This Drizzle Need I.d Help. Just In Today. Pelt Tracer Or Not?, ID Help Needed. Metallics: Id Please.. Chocolate Cow Peltier Nlr?, brown/blue/white (Oops. I deleted my pic because it was too big. I'll replace it. :-) Swirls, Metallics, Cacs: Id Confirmations Needed Coral: Cac Cyclone? Furnace Scrapings/Wissmach: Furnace Champions ????, Is it just me............. A Marble Champion Agate Appreciation Show & Tell Old Fashions: New Old Fashions: Looks Like A Champion New Old Fashion?????, or am I seing things?? Dug: Mostly Pix - Champion Agates

I'd like to call this a rough draft but unfortunately it's almost complete. I haven't found a whole lot about Ravenswood! Ravenswood Novelty Works (1931/32-1954/55) See also Original Packaging Original advertising: Ravenswood Catalogs, authentic or Repro? Various examples and discussion: Ravenswood Novelty Marbles - A Review Of Varieties (phenomenal thread) Ravenswood Shooter ???, ...and a Nameless NLR (brief discussion of Ravenswood sizes. I've seen other discussions somewhere; I'll look for the links.) Mostly Pix - Ravenswood (the catalog, a nice mesh bag, a Paul Bunyan bag, and more) What Can You All Tell Me About This? (Genuine Old Fashion Marbles bag) MM: FINALLY -- A RAVENSWOOD ARTICLE!!! (David Chamberlain's Ravenswood article at Marble Mental) Marble Id Help, White base w/blue swirl (Ravenswood vs. Alley) More examples: "flamish" Flames/swirls: Id Confirmation Needed Comprehensive Paul Bunyan discussion: MM: 1" yellow based, 4 color patches....foreign or domestic? (this link goes to page three for Ron's explanation)

If links are no longer useful or if better come along, suggestions and reminders are welcome. Vitro Agate Company (1932-1992) See also Original Packaging Some examples and discussions: Vitro Names? Vitro Agate , Marbles And A Little History Vitro Time Line Interesting Info On Vitro Agate Co. (about the Vitro Agate presence at the Oil & Gas Museum) Note about Alley sample case in Vitro collection: LOM: Vitro Book Questions Fisher Jewel Trays: Fisher Jewel Tray 1939 New York Worlds Fair, Fisher Jewel Tray Id Help Please (the marbles fluoresce) Various patches: Tri-Lites: Vitro Tri-lites Ebay Plug - Lot's Of Awesome Bags & Vitro Box, Rare stuff this week Vitro Bag? Mostly Pix - Vitro (Post #3, and maybe others) Aquamarine: Id Help, Questions, Just Because, & Shameless Plug, All in one thread!!! Buttermilk: Buttermilk What Ya Think This Find Is ????, CRAWL OUTA DA WOODWORK AND VOICE YOUR OPION (post #7) Superior: Vitro Superior Id's Please ??, Akro, CAC?? Peltier on the *Patch*? (See Post #6.) Id ? Or Just Check This Out! Helmets: Helmets Opals: Vitro & Cac Questions Yellow Jackets: Need Clarification On A Couple Of Vitros (Yellow Jackets in Post #9 and Post #14) Marble Mail Victories and Conquerors: Cool Vitro Bag, Anyone seen this before? Who'd Like To Explain Vitro Names To A Newbie?, (need some help with ID) Simple Question Do You Know What This Is? ("Fancy Conqueror") Phantom Conquerors: Veteran Conquerors? (mentioned on Marblealan's old site, but doesn't appear to be a name which caught on) Wedding Cake: Anyone Have Wedding Cakes? Eight-Fingers: Could It Be An Opaque Vitro 8-finger ??? (original photos not here, anyone have copies?) Vitro Eight Fingers Vs Vitro/anacortes Colored Based Cage Cats All-Reds: Old Or New?, OX on blue base (post #10) O.t! Pepsi's Whities: Blackies: Vitro Blackie Re-pops??, are they out there? What Is The Name For These Links: Advertising (colorful Vitro ad) Vitro Blackies . . . and Anti-Blackies? Anti-Blackies? Tiger Eye: Vitro Names? Some Vitros That Came With The Popeye Question??, Anyone know??? Bullseye: What Is A Vitro Bulls Eye? Discussion Vitro Oxblood Up For Auction, Is this vitro I have up for auction. "oxblood". More Vitros? (see post #9) Peas: Vitro Sweet Peas, What size are most Vitro Agate , Marbles And A Little History (post #46) Black eyed peas Cosmic Rainbows: Big Daddy Vitro? Trippy Vitros A Couple Of Marble Questions Cosmic Rainbows, Horse shoe cats Parrots and Parakeets: Parrots & Parakeets? My First Vitro Parrot! Took A Detour From Pelt 4 Vitro Parrots Going On Ebay Tonight Some Favorites Goldfish: Vitro ...goldfish... Kewl Shooter, hook um" Lilacs: Pretty Purples Confetti: Show Pic's..... (Paula shows a confetti in Post #23) Vitro Confettis Cat's Eyes: Vitro Caged Cats 7/8 & 5/8 Anacortes Horseshoe Cat's Eye Vitro Opal Cats Game Marbles/Chinese Checkers: Game Marble Questions (neat display of color variation in "solids") Vitro Timeline, Various Vitro Owners & Locations: Vitro Time Line Vitro Agate , Marbles And A Little History Bright Vitro Shooters...what's Their Age?, Calling Al Oregon or Wvron !!! (Paris branded bag) Vienna era: LOM: vitro opals? (especially see Tri-Lites) Anacortes era: Anacortes Horseshoe Cat's Eye Anacortes Bag Oxblood? Discussion Vitro Oxblood Up For Auction, Is this vitro I have up for auction. "oxblood". Unusual examples: Vitro Chamelian (Original post and "cloudies" in Post #10) Ebay Plug - Some Nice Ones This Week! (are those blue-based ones in the "fingers" family?) Vitro Agate Picture Gallery: Mostly Pix - Vitro

A lot of room for new threads (hint hint) Akro Agate Company (1910-1951) See also Original Packaging Various examples and discussion: Akro Heaven Akro Timeline Akro Agate Names Akro Stats, Cork Counts Clarksburg Yard Sale Find..., Hello, nice lady! Have Ye Any Marbles??? Oddball Akros Oxbloods And Ades In Yellow Popeye Boxes, Coincidence? Tri-onyx Akros Mostly Pix - Akro What Ya Think This Find Is ????, CRAWL OUTA DA WOODWORK AND VOICE YOUR OPION 2 Questions From The Newbie, What does Prefreese mean? and... Who Made This Marble Any Ideas Akro Flames Large Akro Popeye (pix gone, discussion still interesting) 6 Plus Color Popeye? Have You Seen This Auction?, akro? not? Akro Box ... "unmarked" (follow up to preceding) Akroware: Need Help From An Akro Glassware Collector, Please. Forest Green Miss America WWW: spglass.com: Sparkle Plenty Glassware Slags (aka Onyx): Akro Orange Slag, does anyone have any examples to show Help With Cornelians (Cardinal Reds, one of the few Akro slags not marketed under the name onyx) Kris' Blue Slag W/oxblood, omg omg omg Kool Aid purple shade of slag? (what's the akro palette?) Bricks: AKRO PEACH BRICK (Some problems with the photos here, but the thread is long and has a lot of info. So, I need to go back and see if it should go elsewhere in my list(s).) Swirls: What Ya Think This Find Is ????, CRAWL OUTA DA WOODWORK AND VOICE YOUR OPION (errors) Single Seam: AKRO PEACH BRICK, shameless ebay plug! (see post #4) Flinties and Moonies: Are "moonies" Only White? Red Flinties Differences In Flinties Various Patches: Why It's So Difficult To Id Patch/ribbon Type Marbles~, Photographic evidence! (some patches in Post #5) Who Dun It? Lies, Dont Believe What You Read., 1" Akro SWEEEEET .............marquee (oxblood patches in Posts #1, 5, 15) Patches - But Whose?, ID question from newbie Mostly Pix - Akro (starting with Hy-Grade bags in the first post there a lot of patches in packages here, and more in some of the other original packaging threads) Can Anyone Id This Akro Agate Marble (Leopards) Moss Agates: Moss Agate ?? Akro Ades, And Some Misconceptions.... (see Post #10) Mostly Pix - Akro (post #22) Royals: Mostly Pix - Akro Helmets? (The present understanding appears to be that Akro did not make the marbles we now call helmets, or at least not intentionally. The overwhelming majority of comments I've heard on the subject say in effect that helmets aren't found at the Akro digsites or in original Akro packaging.) Heroes and Uniques: Mostly Pix - Akro Sparklers: My First Sparkler! Experimental Sparkler, joining the family Opaque Sparklers: Mostly Pix - Akro (Post #24 has a scan of one opaque Sparkler from Baumann. I've asked a question about them now, so hopefully there will be a better link soon. ) Various Corkscrews: Let's See Your..... Tgif! Some Corks 5 Color Cork, lets see yours Marble Pictures (translucent blue base, plus fantastic popeye) Just Barely Corking Different numbers of twists Auger vs. Snake Black in Akro corks, or Akros in general? Same run corks Error corks LOM: Corkscrews 101 (counting the number of twists in a corkscrew) Prize Names: Speaking Of Akro Loose Ends ... Akro Prize Name Names Collectors corkscrew names: Pelt Question From Exciteable Newbie (Indian Blanket) Name Game (Superman, Livesaver, Indian Blanket) Rebel? Liberty? Show Us Your Favorite Patches! (Claudia is a name for the experimental patches in Post #7. The Jolly Roger would be the cork version of this supersized marble.) Tightline corkscrews: Augers: Glowing Akro Ribbon Cork --- Cropped To A Circle! Blue And Green Akro Auger? Who Made This Marble Any Ideas (See Post #27) Snakes: Not A Closet Marble Popeyes: Blue & Green Popeye Akro Blue And Green Popeye - Part II Large Akro Popeye A Three Pronged Post] New Popeye Do You Have 1 Favorite Akro Popeye? Tri-onyx Akros Popeye patches: Popeye Patch? Mostly Pix - Akro (see post #7) Ades: Akro Ades, And Some Misconceptions.... Carnelians: What's A Carnelian? Orange Oxblood Vs Carnelian Oxblood? Mostly Pix - Akro Aces: Are These Shooter Corks Aces?, kewl colors but i dont know. Akro Eggyolk -- Special Request Identity Crisis: Mib F. K. A. Blue Eggyolk = What? (Akro's Aces are not the same as what most call Aces today) Ringers: Akro Ringers Or Not. Akro Ades, And Some Misconceptions.... (see box in post #9) Is This A Ringer? Eggyolk: For Jay ... What Exactly Is Eggyolk? Akro Eggyolk -- Special Request (I had eggyolk entirely wrong) Oxblood: akro 00 box! Oxblood Patch Jackpot Question (milky oxbloods) Akro?? (milky oxblood) Lies, Dont Believe What You Read., 1" Akro SWEEEEET .............marquee (oxblood patches in Posts #1, 5, 15) Anatomy Of An Oxblood (an oxblood broken open) My Christmas Present To Me Lol!, 3 Nice Akros Akro Oxblood, Names And Variations How Many Akro Corks Out There Like This., would like to see more. (Indian Blanket with Oxblood) Silver Oxblood: More Old Marbles Blueblood: Shamless Plug, Cool Marble.... Chocolate oxblood: What Is Chocolate Oxblood, Is this one ??? Gray Oxblood: Weekend Score!, rare oxblood~yummy! Aventurine: Akro's With Aventurine Peltier Bumblebee Copper And Chromic Oxide Aventurine, yep green aventurine along side the black aventurine. (See Post #7) Experimentals: Show Us Your Favorite Patches! (Claudia is a name for the experimental patches in Post #7. The Jolly Roger would be the cork version of this supersized marble.) Can Anyone Id This Akro Agate Marble (Leopard ... called experimental, as are many others from the digs. I heard something about the typical size of true experimentals. The single Leopard I've seen 11/16". Larger than average but smaller than what I think I heard about experimental sizes.) Boulders: Id Help? Big Patch. Quite Nifty, Imo ... But Mebbe I'm Wrong? Show Us Your 1" Inch Akros.., Show off time... Come on bring em out... Other examples from the digs: Need Help On Id Please Id Help ... Please (not necessarily dug but Alan said examples came from the digs) Marble Id... Thank You Cullet: Just Some Cullet (Colorful display in Post #2.) A Few Pieces That I Have Akro Picture Gallery: I Love The Colors Of This Cork! My Akro Collection., Just wanted to show off. Popeye Score, and others

I love these. They're so different from anything else. How mass-produced do you think these were? How individualized? Would you consider them hand-made?

Felicia, here's the thread I was thinking of where they were talking about how many colors a corkscrew could possibly have, 6 Plus Color Popeye? A lot of the talk is about whether one particular popeye auctioned at eBay was authentic ... and later about whether the bidders on the auction were "authentic" because the price went so high. But part was specifically about how Akro used nozzles to get different colors into one marble, and how many total nozzles they might have used. Also there was some talk about the mechanics of the spinner cup, and whether it could stop or slow down or otherwise produce an anomaly. (The spinner cup is what made the ribbon colors twist around the marble.) Well, now that I've pointed you at the thread, I'm going to go back and try to understand it. I'm not very mechanically inclined but I sure find it fascinating.

Thank you BOTH! Al, your pix showed what I wanted Felicia to see. Elizabeth, yours are whipped cream and a cherry on top!

I've been going through my list of old Akro links today. There was one to a thread about opaque sparklers. The thread's gone, but I still have these scans from it, from Baumann's Collecting Antique Marbles, 4th ed. Thought someone might consider them interesting. (as do I but I have my own copy of the book, so this is really for you ) (click to enlarge)

I've been wanting a thread for tournament memorabilia. So, here's a spot for someone (anyone who wishes) to add examples "sometime". I'll start it out with this Wildwood, NJ video making the rounds at the various boards today. South Jersey Video Magazine: 2006 National Marbles Championship. (Note: the video was very choppy the first time I listened. But when I played it again right afterwards, the delivery was very clear. )

Thanks Dani. Felicia, my cautious answer is "probably". We have to tread very gently with picture-less identifications! lol! But a popeye is a corkscrew, so if it looks enough like a popeye, it probably is a cork. (Plus, I remember seeing that one in the printed photos you snail mailed me, and I thought it might be a cork before you even mentioned it.) Btw, yours would have to have noticeable amounts of clear and wispy white glass in addition to the white base and blue and yellow ribbons before it was a "Popeye". But since it has three colors (white, blue and yellow), it at least qualifies to be what is known as a "Special". (imho) There are corkscrews with many colors in the same marble. One recent thread here had a theoretical discussion about how many colors a cork could have. The discussion went into the physical properties of the machinery used to create cork ribbons. I'll try to find a link to that.

I'm trying to update my lists of interesting threads. One broken link once went to a thread called "Odd Akro". I had made a note beside the link saying it was about the direction of spin of a corkscrew but I don't remember what direction the Akro in question spun, so I don't know what was odd! I figure if it was an interesting question then, it might be interesting now, so IS one direction of spin more common than another for corks? If so, which one? And how much more common is it? What do your own samplings tell you? 60% of the small sample in my house spiral in what I think of as a clockwise fashion. With a sample size as small as mine, 60% is pretty much the same as 50%, statistically speaking, so I can't draw a conclusion from my bunch.

well dear friend ... nope, my whopper is a genyuwine vacor sunset!

Roger, regarding your A to my Q ... If you saw a marble above an inch which looked like it could be a Master, would the size have the power to make you say, "No, not master, gotta be something else"? A monetary translation of the question would be something along the lines of, if you found a marble for sale tomorrow which looked totally like a sunburst, but it was 1.2" wide, how much would you pay for it? If the seller was asking a price consistent with "too rare to value", would you think about paying it? Or would you walk away unless he came down to a, "this is interesting, I don't believe it's a Master, but it's still unusual" price? Jane, sweet pink!

Though I hope I'll find more among the threads I haven't yet read, there aren't a lot of Master threads on the board. When they happen, a wide of assortment of examples might be put in the same thread. So, even though most of the categories below have nothing in them, they are keywords for some of the things you might see in the "Various examples" and "Picture gallery" threads. Master Marble Company/Master Glass Company (1930-1973) See also Original Packaging Various examples and discussions: Master Timeline What kind of patch is this one please? Master Or Modern ?? (many examples in Post #16) Masters The Master Marble/glass Show And Info Thread Master Shooters Masters Master Marble Bag, Is this a rare bag ? Master Glass Vs. Master Marble More About Master Packaging Purple Shooters Master Brand Names? Ephemera & Extras: Master Shooters (postcard) Master Made Bag Sunburst: Mostly Pix - Master-made Brushed Patch: Master?? (with extra color inside ... is it a sunburst as Roger/Sword44 seems to have suggested?) Clear/white Marble I Have Cloudy: Master Cloudys Comet: Meteor: Moss Agate Type Marbles Akro, Master, Peltier, Alley, who else? Unique: Tiger Eye: Id Please.., Master Marble? tiger eye? Mostly Pix - Master-made Name Game (see post #3) Crab Claws: Oxblood? Master Oxblood...., anyone seen any? Cat's Eyes: Master Picture Gallery: The Master Marble/glass Show And Info Thread Mostly Pix - Master-made Master-made

Thanks John ... I've been waiting for you to choose when to show that card. If I hadn't known you were the new owner it would have been posted weeks ago!

Yup, John had it. That's where I'd seen it before, his postcard of "the Master Marble House on the Enchanted Island", which he has now so nicely added here. The pre-written note on the back says, The drawing of the house says "Master Marbles Shop" on it. I guess you'd go into that bubbly glass building and buy your College Collection sets and who knows what all! Talk about a hefty advertising budget! My next question is how long did the house of marbles stand?!

From the amazing treasure trove of MarbleBert: Auction description:

Time for the 1893 Chicago World's Fair, aka the Columbian Expo. Here is "a novel invention". It's a dish! It's a souvenir! It's a game! The Crystal Sphere World's Fair Game. "Who can, in the least time, roll the sphere over the earth and have it stop in Chicago." (auction photos)

Needs updating. Lots of threads from the last year need to be added. If you have any favorites, feel free to let me know here or by PM. Christensen Agate Company (1925-1933) See also Original Packaging Company history: Joemarbles.com: Christensen Agate LOM: Arnold Fiedler Various examples and discussion: Don't These Go For Around A Hundred Bucks? (There's an interesting comment in post #4. I need to try to find the pix which were in post #1.) Electric Orange Slags C.a. Guinea Fragment With Visible Shear Mark... Vegas Catch!! One Of These Is Different., Five are from the same company Did Christensen Agate Make Opaque White-based Swirls? Ole' Yeller ?, ???????? Marblelairium: CAC slide show A True Conundrum, Some CACs are just wrong Would Either Of These Be Considered A "road And Tunnel" Design? Cac Marble Mail, She's a beauty! (nice mibs and some discussion of seam counts) Slags (aka Onyx): Ca-9 Peach Slag (this appears to be a CAC transparent swirl rather than a slag) Ebay Is Messing Me Up. (beautiful peach) Three To Id (Peach slag(s) in Post #5.) Peach Pretender (not CAC ) Single Seam Slag Or Striped Transparent ???, 3/4" CA "slag" Vs. "onyx" Yellow Orange Slags, photo reference Cac Orange Slag?, I believe it to be... Some Nice Ice Hand-gathered: C.A. Handgathered Mibs CAC Guineas: Godzilla Guinea c.a. "OO" guinea box red guinea (rare) A Fowl Pair Of Guinea's, WHAT NO FEATHERS !!!! Privately Aquired Cobalt Guinea And Others, Please tell me what you think A Few Of My Guineas, also found in the wild bib's required!! Cobras/Cyclones: Cobra?, yes, but how would I guess without being told? My Newest Beauty Christensen Flame And Cobra?, help I.D Cobras ... Single Stream ??? Submarine: Blue Ray...no Way....???? Various Swirls: 4-color Ca Striped Opaque -- Not!, Am I right? Cac Or Alley? (follow-up to preceding discussion) My Golden Rebel., Its not like yours Pretty Ca Flames: Turkeys: Just Needs Dressing. Diaperfold: Ca-9 Bloodies: CAC, "Worlds Best Bloodies"?, Need others input Transparent Swirls: Cac Trans Swirls, Very Cool Striped Opaques: Striped Transparents: Single Seam Slag Or Striped Transparent ???, 3/4" CA Layered Sand: What Is It?, Layered sand (see post #6) Blue Lace: Looks Like Lace, What Could It Be.......... American Agates: Mostly Pix - Christensen Agate Company (Post #2) Blue Ray: C.A. Handgathered Mibs (post #10) Blue Ray...no Way....???? Jenny: CAC, "Worlds Best Bloodies"? Bloodie, Red Jenny Or Slag? Cac Trans Swirls, Very Cool Orange Peel: A Rare Christensen, "orange Peel" Marble Peewees: Shooters: Cac Shooters On Ebay Pastels: C.A. Handgathered Mibs Cac Pastels (includes links to archived copies of Pete's page about his box of "pastel opaques") Snotties: Oxblood? Cac Oxblood? Exotics? CA cullet (long and involved discussion) Cullet: Yellow Wanted: Cac Bloodie, And Basic Cac White Base I Got To Wondering After The Speculation (guinea half) CAC Picture Gallery: Mostly Pix - Christensen Agate Company