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I'd like that. Is that a way to tell Master bananas apart from Peltier bananas? Growl at John for being better on his first shots than I ever hope to get. You made those creatures look as if they might crawl off the page.

Thanks fellas. :-)

I meant "share pictures of", of course.

Thanks Al. :-)

Check out the side of this box, where it says "Assorted Master Meteor Marbles". (ebay photos, of course, an auction which has run more than once since its reserve price wasn't met) The word "Meteor" is raised about the level of the rest. Would you say that means the "Assorted Master ______ Marbles" portion was a more permanent part of the press and the style name was interchangeable? And then the word "Clearies" is stencilled on top. The stencilling seems to me as if it would have been done in a completely different time. To me it seems that the stencils would have been made specially, and they would have been made by someone who had given up on having pretty preprinted boxes for each style of mib, and was moving toward a more flexible, as-needed system of labelling. (And being practical, they were using their old preprinted boxes wherever needed, rather than throwing them away.) Does anyone agree with that theory? (And does anyone have any dates on that box style?) Is this sort of question neat or dumb? I honestly don't know what anyone else will think about it ... but obviously I think it's sorta neat.

Maybe I should call this thread "Master Glass vs. anything else". My mindset right now is something along the lines of if it looks vintage and I can't place it, maybe it's an Akro. possibly dug. That's why I was inclined to see Akro for the vintage marbles in Jane's shooter sorting thread. Since Master Glass patches don't get the same airtime as their older MM relatives, I think that's making me more likely to confuse them with Akros and not see their relation to the older MM's. Hearing about the differences is one thing. Having visuals would help a lot. Does anyone have any Master Glass examples they'd be willing/able to share?

Sounds like you have some of one of the more rare varieties of cross-throughs. One color crossing through, but that color not being white. So, that is a good thing. As to the ) mark? That is probably what I'd call a "crimp" or a "shear mark". It simply happens sometimes on the ends of marbles. It's not a good thing or a bad thing. imho. And having the same or similar crimp marks wouldn't mean much either ... except if I had 5 uncommon marbles like that which I acquired at the same time, with the same colors and the same markings, I'd feel pretty safe saying they were "same run" marbles. (Made on the same machine on the same day.) And that is sort of special. So I'd keep them together with a note about them being "same run", for the future reference of whatever archaelogist eventually excavates my marbles on some far off date. ;-)

Six vane, Japanese Cat's Eyes, definitely not bottle green base. These I like! . . (1, 2) In case you opened this thread hoping to see some of the famous Wales brushed patches, here's a link to some already on the board, Id Please...

So the hole at the bottom of the spinner cup was really small? Apparently I'm still not correctly picturing how it was used. That's okay though. I'm really slow with these things. I'm ONLY asking now in order to confirm the sizes involved. I have to psych myself up before I really try to get the picture of how a machine works! LOL

Standard disclaimer: Not complete, suggestions are welcome. Jabo-Vitro Agate, Inc. (1987-present) See also Original Packaging Also check out Jabo Land: http://anythinggoes43567.yuku.com/ Tour Report: LET'S ALL GO TO JABO !!!, Factory Tour Various examples and discussions: Old Jabo's Peltier Or Wv Swirl? (info about Jabo sizes in post #6) Jabo's Last Run!!!, TERRIBLE News!!! The Beauty Of Jabos Very Colorful ! How Could You Not Like These! Marblemail Attention Citizens Of Planet Earth, Killer Jabo Hurtling Through Cyber Space !!!! Pretty Jabos New Fall 2006 Jabo One Inch Marbles N E W Jabo's Nov. 2006! Give Me An R And A ... (The original pix are gone, but there's some interesting discussion.) O6 Jabo 1 Inch Whats Not To Like ....... MM: jabo 06 fall classics MM: Rare Jabos (Jabo "Extraordinaires") The New *popular American Marbles* Book Is Out, I recieved my copy today (Some Jabo history) Bocci (many exotic examples, and a neat display of differences between same run marbles) Vintage Marble Pics (Jabo discussion starting in post #4) Jabo Camo (2006 examples in post #2 and post #3) Is It What He Claims?? MM: Jabo Cullet? Shooters: Did Jabo Inherit The Parrot Machines? Identification Help Different patterns which show up in Jabos: 9's corks "buttcracks" etc. Jabo Names: Quick Question To The Experts., a "Factory Mint" component to my burgeoning collection. (Tie Dyes in Post #5) Attention Citizens Of Planet Earth, Killer Jabo Hurtling Through Cyber Space !!!! (pix gone, but has some Planet Earth history) Jabos I'm Guessing (Jabo Rebel? Why Rebel with those colors?) Volcano Etc. Jabo Land has an ever-growing list of examples: The first (unofficial) jabos w/ names (on-line) reference guide (Not quite complete but very nice) Post Classics: Jabo Joker Marble Pics TO BE CONTINUED! Collectors Sets: Snoopy Collector Set (and yes there are other sets!) Beer Can Jabos: Metallic Marbles? Beer Can Jabos (2007 Budweisers) Aventurine: Very intentional in marbles made in 2008, but it has also been seen in Classics 2 Sisters And A Cousin (or Half Sister) Jabo Jokers (the marbles here are pre-Joker, from 2003) Fluorescence: Jabo Or Someone Else?? Logo Marbles: Printed Marbles Special Sets: Radioactive Jabo (Fluorescent run of Ten Commandments sets.)

Marble King, Inc. (1949-present) See also Original Packaging Ephemera and extras: Marble King truck Various examples and discussions: Let's See One Of Your Favorite Marble King! Bunch O M.k. Go Away And Dont Come Back !!!!!!!! (Paden City digging) Id Help Please, Double ingot? (fluorescent bases) I Wanna See Your Rainbows, Any size any maker Marble King Patches Bag O' Commons (look like all-reds) Named examples: Is This A Bumble Bee (Bumble bees and Supermen) Mk (Ruby bee) Marble King Experts! Are These Golden Boy's Question About Marble King Blueboys? "golden" Dragonfly? (Blueboy) What Is A Mk Black Widow (Note: Black widows have 2 red patches) Black Widow.. (Wasps, and in post #12 a black widow) Betja Haint Seen One Of These... (Hermaphrodite) Jon! Your Avatar!? Purpul N Green! (Green Hornet) Today At The Digs (Green Hornet) Mk Grasshopper? Marble King Grasshopper Mk Hercules (also Green Hornets in posts #4 and #5) Weak Hercules? Neat Marble! Not Sure What It Is??????? (Irish) Name Game (Spideman, Green Hornet, Kato, Girl Scout, Cub Scout, Dragonfly, Watermelon, Hercules) What other names are there? Peacock Burnt Irish? Gray bee Snow What colors of "black" do bumblebees come in? Mk? Or Maybe, Just Maybe A...... ("Copperhead variant"?) Hybrids and blends: Mk Hybrids More Mk Hybrids Going To Sistersville Transparent Base Patch and Ribbons: Marble King Experts! Are These Golden Boy's "golden" Dragonfly? The title of the thread referred to in the preceding: Marble King rarity Clear based rainbow, experimental rainbows? The thread is gone but I have some of the text saved so I might repost some of it later. Translucent Examples: Strange Marble King Berry Pinks: If You Never Been To A Marble Show, Here,s Why You Should (1st photo) Bunch O M.k. Marble King Berry Pinks Lobster Tail? Cat's Eyes, including St. Mary's: Japanese Cat's Eye?, USA cat's eye? St Mary's Cat's Eyes Black Cats, St. Mary's, And Other Cool Ones I Like MM: Question on Colors of St Marys Catseyes Peewees: Tiny Mk Marbles Modern examples: Mk? New-ish? (lavender base) Genuine 'estate' Marbles! Marble King Patches Oxblood: Mk Internal Combustion Cullet and other examples found at the digs: (there are likely other dug marbles in the examples above) Test Pic Marble King Picture Gallery: Let's See One Of Your Favorite Marble King! Bunch O M.k. Space Of Stuff - Want Some Dig Site Marble Kings? Mostly Pix - Marble King

Dave, that sure will be interesting. It's sort of final-sounding too. Dani, which one is the unused plunger? And what's the size on these pieces? How did Brian's cup get/stay so clean? Did the hot glass slip right over the graphite without sticking? (Was that the point of using graphite?) I started wondering about the size yesterday. These other questions just spilled out today when I saw your pieces. lol Yesterday I was wondering how big of a hole that would be at the bottom of Brian's spinner. The width of a marble? If so did they use different spinner cups to make different sizes? Or was marble size determined elsewhere in the process?

Used pretty much concurrently? Or are there some vague age demarcations? or is there little-to-no info on which boxes came first, middlin' and last? Of course what I've been most curious about for the longest time is that nebulous area "between" NLR's and Rainbos. If some boxes were definitely pre-1930, and some were definitely post-1935 and some likely post-1940, or post WWII ... for example ... that could help some other jigsaw pieces fall into place. ... that's my hope .... It's more of a curiosity to me now than it used to be. It used to seem vital. I used to "need" to understand when and where and how "tweeners" happened. Now, I'm beginning to get why some don't care. It's either got the NLR look or it doesn't. If it doesn't, it can still be pretty, but quit trying to force things into the NLR box. I get that now. But I'm still _interested_. :-)

Here's the spinner cup Brian Graham shared awhile back. (The thread was lost in the reorganization of the board. He gave me the okay to repost it.) Thanks Brian. :-)

Oh my. Now this would have been a fun present to give and get! An O' Boy! gift box. (click to enlarge) From the Marquee auction description:

Peppermint? Not sure how blue came to be needed to qualify a marble as a "Peppermint Swirl", but otherwise the similarities in appearance between the marble and the candy are fairly strong. imho :-) . . (1) (2)

Which boxes would be older, "National Line" or "National Marbles"? These are both Peerless boxes so I thought they'd be interesting for comparison. The first is one Lizzy posted awhile back of someone's grandparents' mibs. It's the only "National Line" box I've been able to find in my saved photos, which seems really weird to me since the name is so famous. The second is from Norm's collection at Bonham's. (Both say "National Toy Marbles" on one end. On the opposite end the National Line box says it was "Manufactured by M. Gropper & Sons, Inc., New York, N. Y., U. S. A." Don't know what's on the other end of the National Marbles box.)

It's a plausible story. A bench mounted press doesn't sound like it would take up a lot of room. Sounds to me as if it would have been relatively easy to hide.

I'm not certain how many more champion threads we have but I'm sure there are some. Especially in the category of new old fashions and furnace scrapings. Champion Agate Company (1938-present?) See also Original Packaging Various examples and discussion: Champion's Last Years? Ravenswood Shooter ???, ...and a Nameless NLR (reference to Champion shooter size) Mostly Pix - Champion Agates MM: Champion Agate Co. (an article by David Chamberlain) Champion Agate Appreciation Show & Tell Assorted Swirls: Some Cool Champion Swirls A Champion, Me Thinks (The pix in Post #7 are labelled Mid70s.) No Clue On This Drizzle Need I.d Help. Just In Today. Pelt Tracer Or Not?, ID Help Needed. Metallics: Id Please.. Chocolate Cow Peltier Nlr?, brown/blue/white (Oops. I deleted my pic because it was too big. I'll replace it. :-) Swirls, Metallics, Cacs: Id Confirmations Needed Coral: Cac Cyclone? Furnace Scrapings/Wissmach: Furnace Champions ????, Is it just me............. A Marble Champion Agate Appreciation Show & Tell Old Fashions: New Old Fashions: Looks Like A Champion New Old Fashion?????, or am I seing things?? Dug: Mostly Pix - Champion Agates

I'd like to call this a rough draft but unfortunately it's almost complete. I haven't found a whole lot about Ravenswood! Ravenswood Novelty Works (1931/32-1954/55) See also Original Packaging Original advertising: Ravenswood Catalogs, authentic or Repro? Various examples and discussion: Ravenswood Novelty Marbles - A Review Of Varieties (phenomenal thread) Ravenswood Shooter ???, ...and a Nameless NLR (brief discussion of Ravenswood sizes. I've seen other discussions somewhere; I'll look for the links.) Mostly Pix - Ravenswood (the catalog, a nice mesh bag, a Paul Bunyan bag, and more) What Can You All Tell Me About This? (Genuine Old Fashion Marbles bag) MM: FINALLY -- A RAVENSWOOD ARTICLE!!! (David Chamberlain's Ravenswood article at Marble Mental) Marble Id Help, White base w/blue swirl (Ravenswood vs. Alley) More examples: "flamish" Flames/swirls: Id Confirmation Needed Comprehensive Paul Bunyan discussion: MM: 1" yellow based, 4 color patches....foreign or domestic? (this link goes to page three for Ron's explanation)

If links are no longer useful or if better come along, suggestions and reminders are welcome. Vitro Agate Company (1932-1992) See also Original Packaging Some examples and discussions: Vitro Names? Vitro Agate , Marbles And A Little History Vitro Time Line Interesting Info On Vitro Agate Co. (about the Vitro Agate presence at the Oil & Gas Museum) Note about Alley sample case in Vitro collection: LOM: Vitro Book Questions Fisher Jewel Trays: Fisher Jewel Tray 1939 New York Worlds Fair, Fisher Jewel Tray Id Help Please (the marbles fluoresce) Various patches: Tri-Lites: Vitro Tri-lites Ebay Plug - Lot's Of Awesome Bags & Vitro Box, Rare stuff this week Vitro Bag? Mostly Pix - Vitro (Post #3, and maybe others) Aquamarine: Id Help, Questions, Just Because, & Shameless Plug, All in one thread!!! Buttermilk: Buttermilk What Ya Think This Find Is ????, CRAWL OUTA DA WOODWORK AND VOICE YOUR OPION (post #7) Superior: Vitro Superior Id's Please ??, Akro, CAC?? Peltier on the *Patch*? (See Post #6.) Id ? Or Just Check This Out! Helmets: Helmets Opals: Vitro & Cac Questions Yellow Jackets: Need Clarification On A Couple Of Vitros (Yellow Jackets in Post #9 and Post #14) Marble Mail Victories and Conquerors: Cool Vitro Bag, Anyone seen this before? Who'd Like To Explain Vitro Names To A Newbie?, (need some help with ID) Simple Question Do You Know What This Is? ("Fancy Conqueror") Phantom Conquerors: Veteran Conquerors? (mentioned on Marblealan's old site, but doesn't appear to be a name which caught on) Wedding Cake: Anyone Have Wedding Cakes? Eight-Fingers: Could It Be An Opaque Vitro 8-finger ??? (original photos not here, anyone have copies?) Vitro Eight Fingers Vs Vitro/anacortes Colored Based Cage Cats All-Reds: Old Or New?, OX on blue base (post #10) O.t! Pepsi's Whities: Blackies: Vitro Blackie Re-pops??, are they out there? What Is The Name For These Links: Advertising (colorful Vitro ad) Vitro Blackies . . . and Anti-Blackies? Anti-Blackies? Tiger Eye: Vitro Names? Some Vitros That Came With The Popeye Question??, Anyone know??? Bullseye: What Is A Vitro Bulls Eye? Discussion Vitro Oxblood Up For Auction, Is this vitro I have up for auction. "oxblood". More Vitros? (see post #9) Peas: Vitro Sweet Peas, What size are most Vitro Agate , Marbles And A Little History (post #46) Black eyed peas Cosmic Rainbows: Big Daddy Vitro? Trippy Vitros A Couple Of Marble Questions Cosmic Rainbows, Horse shoe cats Parrots and Parakeets: Parrots & Parakeets? My First Vitro Parrot! Took A Detour From Pelt 4 Vitro Parrots Going On Ebay Tonight Some Favorites Goldfish: Vitro ...goldfish... Kewl Shooter, hook um" Lilacs: Pretty Purples Confetti: Show Pic's..... (Paula shows a confetti in Post #23) Vitro Confettis Cat's Eyes: Vitro Caged Cats 7/8 & 5/8 Anacortes Horseshoe Cat's Eye Vitro Opal Cats Game Marbles/Chinese Checkers: Game Marble Questions (neat display of color variation in "solids") Vitro Timeline, Various Vitro Owners & Locations: Vitro Time Line Vitro Agate , Marbles And A Little History Bright Vitro Shooters...what's Their Age?, Calling Al Oregon or Wvron !!! (Paris branded bag) Vienna era: LOM: vitro opals? (especially see Tri-Lites) Anacortes era: Anacortes Horseshoe Cat's Eye Anacortes Bag Oxblood? Discussion Vitro Oxblood Up For Auction, Is this vitro I have up for auction. "oxblood". Unusual examples: Vitro Chamelian (Original post and "cloudies" in Post #10) Ebay Plug - Some Nice Ones This Week! (are those blue-based ones in the "fingers" family?) Vitro Agate Picture Gallery: Mostly Pix - Vitro

A lot of room for new threads (hint hint) Akro Agate Company (1910-1951) See also Original Packaging Various examples and discussion: Akro Heaven Akro Timeline Akro Agate Names Akro Stats, Cork Counts Clarksburg Yard Sale Find..., Hello, nice lady! Have Ye Any Marbles??? Oddball Akros Oxbloods And Ades In Yellow Popeye Boxes, Coincidence? Tri-onyx Akros Mostly Pix - Akro What Ya Think This Find Is ????, CRAWL OUTA DA WOODWORK AND VOICE YOUR OPION 2 Questions From The Newbie, What does Prefreese mean? and... Who Made This Marble Any Ideas Akro Flames Large Akro Popeye (pix gone, discussion still interesting) 6 Plus Color Popeye? Have You Seen This Auction?, akro? not? Akro Box ... "unmarked" (follow up to preceding) Akroware: Need Help From An Akro Glassware Collector, Please. Forest Green Miss America WWW: spglass.com: Sparkle Plenty Glassware Slags (aka Onyx): Akro Orange Slag, does anyone have any examples to show Help With Cornelians (Cardinal Reds, one of the few Akro slags not marketed under the name onyx) Kris' Blue Slag W/oxblood, omg omg omg Kool Aid purple shade of slag? (what's the akro palette?) Bricks: AKRO PEACH BRICK (Some problems with the photos here, but the thread is long and has a lot of info. So, I need to go back and see if it should go elsewhere in my list(s).) Swirls: What Ya Think This Find Is ????, CRAWL OUTA DA WOODWORK AND VOICE YOUR OPION (errors) Single Seam: AKRO PEACH BRICK, shameless ebay plug! (see post #4) Flinties and Moonies: Are "moonies" Only White? Red Flinties Differences In Flinties Various Patches: Why It's So Difficult To Id Patch/ribbon Type Marbles~, Photographic evidence! (some patches in Post #5) Who Dun It? Lies, Dont Believe What You Read., 1" Akro SWEEEEET .............marquee (oxblood patches in Posts #1, 5, 15) Patches - But Whose?, ID question from newbie Mostly Pix - Akro (starting with Hy-Grade bags in the first post there a lot of patches in packages here, and more in some of the other original packaging threads) Can Anyone Id This Akro Agate Marble (Leopards) Moss Agates: Moss Agate ?? Akro Ades, And Some Misconceptions.... (see Post #10) Mostly Pix - Akro (post #22) Royals: Mostly Pix - Akro Helmets? (The present understanding appears to be that Akro did not make the marbles we now call helmets, or at least not intentionally. The overwhelming majority of comments I've heard on the subject say in effect that helmets aren't found at the Akro digsites or in original Akro packaging.) Heroes and Uniques: Mostly Pix - Akro Sparklers: My First Sparkler! Experimental Sparkler, joining the family Opaque Sparklers: Mostly Pix - Akro (Post #24 has a scan of one opaque Sparkler from Baumann. I've asked a question about them now, so hopefully there will be a better link soon. ) Various Corkscrews: Let's See Your..... Tgif! Some Corks 5 Color Cork, lets see yours Marble Pictures (translucent blue base, plus fantastic popeye) Just Barely Corking Different numbers of twists Auger vs. Snake Black in Akro corks, or Akros in general? Same run corks Error corks LOM: Corkscrews 101 (counting the number of twists in a corkscrew) Prize Names: Speaking Of Akro Loose Ends ... Akro Prize Name Names Collectors corkscrew names: Pelt Question From Exciteable Newbie (Indian Blanket) Name Game (Superman, Livesaver, Indian Blanket) Rebel? Liberty? Show Us Your Favorite Patches! (Claudia is a name for the experimental patches in Post #7. The Jolly Roger would be the cork version of this supersized marble.) Tightline corkscrews: Augers: Glowing Akro Ribbon Cork --- Cropped To A Circle! Blue And Green Akro Auger? Who Made This Marble Any Ideas (See Post #27) Snakes: Not A Closet Marble Popeyes: Blue & Green Popeye Akro Blue And Green Popeye - Part II Large Akro Popeye A Three Pronged Post] New Popeye Do You Have 1 Favorite Akro Popeye? Tri-onyx Akros Popeye patches: Popeye Patch? Mostly Pix - Akro (see post #7) Ades: Akro Ades, And Some Misconceptions.... Carnelians: What's A Carnelian? Orange Oxblood Vs Carnelian Oxblood? Mostly Pix - Akro Aces: Are These Shooter Corks Aces?, kewl colors but i dont know. Akro Eggyolk -- Special Request Identity Crisis: Mib F. K. A. Blue Eggyolk = What? (Akro's Aces are not the same as what most call Aces today) Ringers: Akro Ringers Or Not. Akro Ades, And Some Misconceptions.... (see box in post #9) Is This A Ringer? Eggyolk: For Jay ... What Exactly Is Eggyolk? Akro Eggyolk -- Special Request (I had eggyolk entirely wrong) Oxblood: akro 00 box! Oxblood Patch Jackpot Question (milky oxbloods) Akro?? (milky oxblood) Lies, Dont Believe What You Read., 1" Akro SWEEEEET .............marquee (oxblood patches in Posts #1, 5, 15) Anatomy Of An Oxblood (an oxblood broken open) My Christmas Present To Me Lol!, 3 Nice Akros Akro Oxblood, Names And Variations How Many Akro Corks Out There Like This., would like to see more. (Indian Blanket with Oxblood) Silver Oxblood: More Old Marbles Blueblood: Shamless Plug, Cool Marble.... Chocolate oxblood: What Is Chocolate Oxblood, Is this one ??? Gray Oxblood: Weekend Score!, rare oxblood~yummy! Aventurine: Akro's With Aventurine Peltier Bumblebee Copper And Chromic Oxide Aventurine, yep green aventurine along side the black aventurine. (See Post #7) Experimentals: Show Us Your Favorite Patches! (Claudia is a name for the experimental patches in Post #7. The Jolly Roger would be the cork version of this supersized marble.) Can Anyone Id This Akro Agate Marble (Leopard ... called experimental, as are many others from the digs. I heard something about the typical size of true experimentals. The single Leopard I've seen 11/16". Larger than average but smaller than what I think I heard about experimental sizes.) Boulders: Id Help? Big Patch. Quite Nifty, Imo ... But Mebbe I'm Wrong? Show Us Your 1" Inch Akros.., Show off time... Come on bring em out... Other examples from the digs: Need Help On Id Please Id Help ... Please (not necessarily dug but Alan said examples came from the digs) Marble Id... Thank You Cullet: Just Some Cullet (Colorful display in Post #2.) A Few Pieces That I Have Akro Picture Gallery: I Love The Colors Of This Cork! My Akro Collection., Just wanted to show off. Popeye Score, and others

I love these. They're so different from anything else. How mass-produced do you think these were? How individualized? Would you consider them hand-made?

Felicia, here's the thread I was thinking of where they were talking about how many colors a corkscrew could possibly have, 6 Plus Color Popeye? A lot of the talk is about whether one particular popeye auctioned at eBay was authentic ... and later about whether the bidders on the auction were "authentic" because the price went so high. But part was specifically about how Akro used nozzles to get different colors into one marble, and how many total nozzles they might have used. Also there was some talk about the mechanics of the spinner cup, and whether it could stop or slow down or otherwise produce an anomaly. (The spinner cup is what made the ribbon colors twist around the marble.) Well, now that I've pointed you at the thread, I'm going to go back and try to understand it. I'm not very mechanically inclined but I sure find it fascinating.

Thank you BOTH! Al, your pix showed what I wanted Felicia to see. Elizabeth, yours are whipped cream and a cherry on top!