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  1. I'd probably put that in the Alox box.
  2. Akro does seem right for it, I agree.
  3. Those coppery blotches are most commonly found on Ravenswoods IMO. Interesting mib. If it wasn't for that I would have gone with Alley just because of the color and the pattern is in bounds for Alley.
  4. Marshal Wilson contacted me about putting together a show down here in SW Georgia. I put out some feelers and there is a ton of interest. Soooo.... Valdosta Georgia is about to have it's first marble show. The hotel is amazing, rates are good, and this is going to be a great kickoff. Come see how many collectors have been hoarding in the South. The show is in Valdosta just off interstate 75 just North of the Florida line and interstate 10. There are other attractions like Wild Adventures theme park, Grand Bay wildlife area with boardwalks and gators and fishing. 3 hours from Orlando, 1.5 from Tallahassee FL. There will be several local area sellers and collectors for sure. I will be there all days for in room trading and conversation/fellowship with other collectors and sellers. I have word from several others who plan to be there. The hotel is beautiful, hot breakfast included, hot tub, swimming pool, and off the beaten path but close to town. Several acclaimed locally owned restaurants within minutes (real Georgia BBQ, fresh seafood, etc...), close to the airport, I think we covered all the bases. The conference room is big and really nice, we are putting out flyers all over the place and plan to have a big crowd for the show. Come to my neck of the woods and experience South Georgia's southern hospitality. If you have questions or need anything, contact me. I plan to bring a pretty comprehensive set of examples from Heaton, Alley, Cairo, and other companies for show/study and some for sale. Some DAS marbles I participated in making, and dug material. Be there or be square
  5. Another I just ran across today coincidentally. The orange and structure looks familiar. It's being shown as a CAC cobra.
  6. I don't know enough about atmospheres to say. I'm not saying the OP is or isn't anything, just that I think it deserves a harder look before going to the vacor jar. Trying to point out things that might result in more thought and a stronger ID in the end, one way or the other.
  7. Sure is a tough one. The colors seem spot on but ?? The Vacors normally have a stream structure of two, three ribbons evenly spaced around the stream that stay pretty constant (not breaking and starting back up) from one end to the other, somewhat wirepull style. This one in the OP has way more than that and they start/stop in different places instead of at the beginning and end of the stream. You can see through the colors in the Vacor but the OP looks very opaque in the colors. When zoomed in, I see streams of fine bubbles following the flow of the glass. Not usually seen on Vacors, they are usually very clear with a few clear bubbles here and there but not tiny fizz trails. I only see the scorpion looking one being another possible Vacor in the group. Who knows, maybe this is just a messed up chipped Vacor. Is there any sign of orange peel? Maybe in hand it would be obvious. Loo at these cobras. Different looking but same colors, plus that white. The fizzy bubbles. The start-stop of the colors instead of continuous flow. It's enough to want to keep studying and hold the marbles out of the junk jar IMO. And for the best match, this one:
  8. Very similar to a sunflower in color, but there is white, and there are small bubbles. You can look at a Vacor sunflower and say, "yep, that's a Vacor", even if you've never seen the type, because it looks so much like a Vacor. This doesn't wave the Vacor flag for me.
  9. Not really, other than it's dark. I am assuming the color because of the rest of the marble, which reminds me of this type. This example doesn't match as well as some but it's the only photo I found on hand. But we've seen these types can vary from yellow ribbons to cream and tan color ribbons too. The wide flares at the end of the ribbons is common on these too, shown well in the 3rd pic.
  10. Sistersville Alley to me.
  11. And here are some of mine up close. The two in the top right of the group of skeletons are not. They are other black or almost black and white Alleys to show that the difference.
  12. Three boxes of early Alleys containing many halloween types were found by Nola Morgan (mentioned by Ron above) All contained several of these black and white ones as well. Since then Ron and I talked about them and he agreed that they were made during the same time frame. They've been referred to as Skeleton's for a while now, to indicate their relation to the family. Not any black and white Alley fits, the skeletons have a distinct look that separates them from the others. These are early Alleys, batch glass I believe. Here are pics of the three different sure shot boxes with them in them.
  13. I also agree there is little doubt that Davis glass ended up at Cairo. In my mind and yours. But there is among others. It's why Ron wouldn't post about it. He said he didn't feel like the arguments it would bring up, that too many were set in their mind that they were Cairos and he'd already been through it verbally with others. That's why I started this off with "Some won't believe this". I think even if some few people don't want to entertain it, the info should be out there.
  14. I agree, Jackson was kind of a side point with the main focus on Davis and Cairo. I know about 6 drums of Jackson marbles got dumped instead of moved to Cairo (later about half or 2/3 recovered by diggers). Plus many of their mesh bags were used as fill under the concrete later poured there. And there is not nearly as much found at Cairo as there is of the Davis stuff. Mostly what we discussed and compared was the connection between Davis and Cairo. Some mention here and there of Jackson in the conversations we had but it was more of a side-bar note type of mention. I got the timeline off with Jackson a bit by including them in with Davis on wanting to make marbles after Cairo. Thanks.
  15. And this one nestled int he foam case was dug at Davis, the ones with dirt on them and sitting next to it (out of the foam divots) were dug at Cairo.
  16. Then you have these varied shades of transparent green to blue base with the pink to purple swirls. Same pattern. Left is dug at Davis, right is dug at Cairo.
  17. Then you have these cream colored ones. The group of 4 are dug at Davis, the single one to the left I dug at Cairo.
  18. I wish I had made this post while Ron was still alive. I told him I would do it and he was waiting. I just didn't know I had such little time. Some won't believe this, kind of like the Red Rose Heaton post I made a few years back, but here goes: Ron and I studied these side-by-side carefully at his house while I stayed there digging Cairo. I was pulling marbles out of the ground at Cairo and I took them to him and told him I thought they looked like they were probably made by Davis. Ron got out his case of Davis marbles with a big grin and said "you're right, they are". He told me that Hanlon (Cairo) and Wilson Davis were friends and neighbors with their farms across from one another. Also Carol Jackson of Jackson marbles. Hanlon of Cairo was making marbles and the others wanted to as well. They started up and failed in a short time. The marbles they didn't sell (Davis mostly) were bought by Cairo and I think even the cullet went to Cairo. Ron Shepherd and a select group of people he put together dug Davis with special permission. Wilson had cows there and grass and didn't want the ground disturbed. Ron and the crew mapped out the area, made a grid on the grass, and lifted each square of sod and got all the glass in that square. Then they put that sod back down and did the next row and so on until the whole area was cleaned out. There wasn't much to recover, not many marbles and almost no cullet. We studied that cullet and I put the Cairo marbles that were similar right next to them. They were the exact same. Same pattern, same colors, same bubbles, same UV response, same size, everything. Now to bolster that claim, look at the pattern of Cairo marbles. Simple single fold like a JABO classic. Look at the hurricanes and every known Cairo... the C or G shapes. Now look at what they call the yellow lightning. Nothing like all those other Cairo marbles. Exactly like the Davis marbles. Some of Davis's other transparent marbles had the same exact pattern. Next, look at the transparent dark green base marbles with the pink to purple ribbons found at Cairo and Davis. Those are Davis. The Ivory reds... those get confusing because it appears as though all 3 (Davis, Cairo, and Jackson) made those but they can still be separated many times. Some Jacksons were dug at Cairo as well. Some cullet from Davis was also found at Cairo, promoting the thought that all glass was moved from Davis to Cairo. The Davis marbles were found in the flood layer just below the tree bark where the company after Cairo laid down that layer over all the glass. This suggests that the Davis marbles were in boxes that burst and spread during the flood. The other diggers at Cairo didn't believe what I was telling them, that the marbles were Davis. Ron told me the next day that he would never let anyone take those marbles. Grist wanted him to send the marbles to him to photograph for his book and he wouldn't let them leave his house. Then he said I trust you with them though, take them to Cairo. You keep them in your possession, you can open the case and roll them around but let no-one touch any of them. Go teach them about who made them. Made me feel pretty good, and I went and did what he said and here I am again doing it now. Ron had me spread them out on his washer and dryer because he had bright LED shop lights over them for good photos. I only had my point and shoot and no tripod but I tried to take pics. I didn't know until I got back home to GA that the photos were blurry. But here are some of them. On this group of yellows, the smaller group on the left is clean and Davis. The larger group on the right is dirty and dug at Cairo. Most of the Cairos are also fractured, which makes the base look whiter than it is. They are clear base. They also all respond the same under UV light, not that that means anything definite.
  19. Anacortes is my thought on the OP group as well.
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