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Amazing! Thanks for posting!

All good... glad to have the full picture!

Thanks! In that shot you provide, it looks like a long tube of glass at they are pinching off sections and turn them into marbles. I did more research cuz I realize there's more to this and see that there are people that pile up glass, add colors, essentially creating one at a time, etc. and round it. Yet another way, it appears. I do see the difference between torch and traditional handmade using cane-cut. Thank you!

Cool! Yes, I'll look them up if you have them!

I'm getting Jabo on the right one.....or Pelt. Or Cairo. Hehe

I say Master. I don't have info on dug or tank wash. You cannot reliably look at a marble and know if it is dug except if you know it was. Does not look like tank wash marble that I have seen. Don't recall it being Master.

I completely agree with the value of going to in-room trading. Not only do you have a chance to pick up a range of deals but you see a range of marbles right there in front of you. You get to ask questions about them and most marble folks are real happy to talk to you. I'd bring some spare batteries too, cuz you never know! And cash! I have been to three marble shows and only once attended the actual show day!

I love reading patents. I wish I could get more. I know it's can be mine numbing stuff but I just go slowly enough I realize it. They were really very small things that they considered to be very critical and they were very analytical about what they were doing it and the result of it. They may have been making children's toys but it seems to me that making them was handled in a sophisticated manner, even though the end result was random at some point.

Grazie.

Ron, I've been waiting for this. I'm trying to determine the separation between the Vitro and the Marble King. The stripes of the Vitro are thinner and the Marble King is more solid. Is that the separator? The marble King colors are more vibrant? The cut lines on both are complex.

Saying "with a torch" is another way of saying "handmade", at least that's how I'm interpreting it. Correct?

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Awesome description! I finally get it. I'm making a specific link to this in the archives.

This looks familiar, without the aventurine. Didn't we discuss this just a few days ago? or am I in my distracting time loop where I think I'm in the present but I'm actually in the future? I say no, it's incorrect

Thanks. I ended up using a traditional camera on a slow shutter speed. I did a little Photo Shop to brighten some of them cuz they were unevenly bright. It was it was tricky to get it as it is!

I like to see a picture where it wasn't backlit so I could get some idea what the normal light look like.

I'm a new collector, started in mid-December so I haven't purchased anything that I don't love. That's the whole problem: I like everything that I have!!!

I posted a larger discussion on the myth of the Miller Machine in the Archives, as a reference.

Oh, I made the same declaration! "I can collect them because they don't take up much space!" That is when they were in a large Mason jar on the shelf. Now I have the entire dining room table covered with display boxes of one kind or another!!! Except where I eat breakfast and one case is slanted toward me so I can look at it. I rotate that one with others. Early on, I received just that suggestion from a long time collector. Buy 3, sell 2 off and get the one for free. Sometimes you may have to wait a while for prices to adjust. I keep saying I am going to sell off some of my 30 Popeyes, all mint condition, but I have had them to short to part with them. Same with my Peltier Peerless Patches. What is a boy to do???

That listing seems off to me. The photos are terrible and you can't really tell the condition! They clearly don't know what they have nor even try to as they list like 11 companies!! For all we know, those are shill bids.

This is to clarify the ongoing confusion about the use of “Miller Machine marble” for certain swirl marbles from the early 1920s made by Peltier. It is best to end the use of the term “Miller Machine Marble” when describing those marbles as it incorrectly describes the process. We hope this will help. The Miller Machine was the portion of the marble making process that rounded and cooling the marble. Its breakthrough was by automating that step. That is its only purpose. It is not responsible for the colors, designs, swirls, and other features of the marble itself. Discussion from collector: cheese "It's an outdated name that just won't go away. I don't use it. There are some Peltier NLRs that have swirly action and Peltier had a marble machine made by William J Miller. This was in the late 20s. I think most of Peltier's early NLRs came off that machine. Some people decided the swirly ones came off that machine and it made them swirly. It did not. They and others came off that machine but it had nothing to do with them being swirls. That machine was used earlier by another company and later by others, and other makers used the same machine with different patterns. The miller machine as well as any other marble machine does nothing but make a glass ingot round. It doesn't make a marble a patch or swirl. The pattern is already in the ingot before it hits the rollers. The only pattern that would be made is a slight pull, a chevron or curl. That would happen when the ingot hit the rollers possibly. By the time it gets out of the first few rolls the marble has hardened too much for any more changes. The rest of the way down the rollers isn't for rounding, it's for cooling and the beginning of the annealing process. The miller machine is in occasional operation now and it's not making swirls at all. It's an outdated term and wrongly gives credit to a man for something he had nothing to do with. It's like crediting the trucking company for what they shipped instead of the manufacturer. Or the bag maker for the bread in it." · Additional Post by wvrons …“Any marble machine can make a patch style, or a patch and ribbon, or ribbons only or a swirl or a cork pattern. The pattern all happens upstream before the hot glob hit the marble machine rolls. The marble machine rolls make the marble round and start the cooling, nothing else.” The Miller Machine is not responsible for the swirls or other patterns seen on certain marbles. It only rounds the marbles in an automatic process. Here is a photo of the actual Miller glass marble making machine. It can be seen that the function of the machine is to make the marble round. It does not contain any of the glass or colors for the marble itself, nor any mechanism to make swirls, patterns or any other design element. The glass glob drops into one end of the spinning coils and moves down, rounding and cooling as it goes to the end. No design or modification of the marble design takes place at all. Here is a photo of a rounding machine which is positioned under the furnace to round the glass globs into round marbles. Photo: JABO Marble Company Here is a glass glob being feed manually into the rounding machine. Photo credits: Brian L. Graham article on William J. Miller glass marble making machine and manual feed photo: https://www.briangrahamglass.com/william-j-miller-glass-marble-making-machine/ Here is the original discussion:

It looks great so I think you should move to Idaho, mail this mib to me and we will be happy!!

Absolutely, we've all done it!!!

LOL! You know, I have removed all content and changed the title to something like DELETED and the administrator have removed it. Don't want to do that too often. If you say something that you don't like after you said it, just go in and say what you what you wanted it to be. Believe me, there's enough things I've said that I didn't say well or marbles that I mentally named and then everybody named it that and I didn't have the courage to put it down so not to worry!

I have a killer Popeye at .55 and 2 at .61. I normally use fractions but I'm using the decimals here for to match your measurements fast.