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I doubt very much Vacor allows any of their rollers to get rusty and pitted, and not so sure any of the largest types are made with chips. JMHO. And those wiggly wavy wet finger type wrinkles are not from dings dents pits or other roller defects IMVNHO, just look at their shape. I toured a glass factory in W.V. many years ago. They took their still hot hand blown pieces and plunged them into water . It was really neat. The results were neat too.

Neat looks just like the Alox orange peel and nothing like the Vacor IMO

The one on the right is probably Alley Agate. The weird ribbon look of the one on the left resembles some Vacor Old Fashions but it may be Alley?

tHey all look Mexican (vacor) or Asian to me?. The 9 is just incidental and not a result of hand gathering. The one with blue stripes end to end is a ? Maybe give the marbles a number or something if posting them like this.

The parent company Fabricas Selectas calls them Vacors. http://www.fabricasselectas.com.mx/micrositio/canicas-vacor

Thats a pretty swan Mike. Mentioning Pelicans reminded me of the one I found in Landon Daniels box of CACs.

I should have said I have seen orange peel texture on glass that the side showing the orange peel was not touching anything, but in my time away I will do some research as I kind of remember oil or steam possibly having something to do with it. IT seems hitting that 60 mark messed up a lot of synapses My favorite glass is glue chip and the process to make it is the bomb(LOL) and almost anyone can do it, glass is incredible stuff

Contract says he was also there to make glass and formulate new colors as needed?. The 3rd paragraph is really interesting

I sure can agree with that. But i have seen goldstone go into a tank and come out oxblood

Any way I bet they didnt throw out the recipes he was using and fooling with when he left. He was also at Akro and those 3 companies sure have some similar colors. Not assuming it was because of Arnie just saying it may have been a contributing factor.

I have samples of every one of Davids early runs And he has sent me many marbles with Oxblood in them, I have the special boxes with samples of every run from 2008 and also many boxes he sent me of nice samples especially with Oxblood. As I stated earlier I do not believe he ever made any Oxblood glass. He did put certain glass into the tank that resulted in Oxblood but I do not believe he ever mixed sand and chemicals to make Oxblood glass. He has added some chemicals etc to already made and melted glass with various results but really do not think he made Oxblood glass. Again I may be wrong but I do not think so. If you absolutely know differently let me Know

Mike, I understand the thinking that the hot rollers could keep the surface of the marble hot long enough to allow the cooling shrinking glass on the interior to start pulling at the glass on the surface. Good theory. I am not sure anything I can say or show is going to sway John into believing Orange peel can form on marbles made on smooth rollers. Maybe someone else can? I will leave the rest of this discussion to others. Just look at the blue glass, that is not from anything pushing in on the glass!!!!!. I know paint forms orange peel with out touching any thing and I have seen glass besides marbles orange peel without touching anything so I don't see why marbles can not orange peel with out bumps on rollers creating the orange peel. Mon Being a survivor of a prostatectomy I can't laugh too loud with out wet results and I may have done so at your post!

And running nonstop for days if not weeks at a time I bet those Vacor rollers get pretty darn toasty. Just read they are up to 20,000,000 a day I think I read they ran 24/7

With the amount of cold rolling associated with the "orange peel" on the Vacors It seems much more likely to me this is a temperature and cooling thing much more so than a rough roller thing. The patterns are not something that would show up on rollers. And with 12,000,000+ marbles going over rollers every day at Vacor I am assuming they are pretty darn smooth. Sorry, that marble,(the wrinkled vacor) looks nothing like the marbles I have that are from rough rollers. They are dull and show the dents from the junk on the rollers, they do not have these smooth worm like various size wrinkles. They are absolutely nothing alike. Here is "orange peel" from rough rollers. So yes, I do agree that "orange peel" can be the result of rough rollers, I do not believe the "orange peel" on the vacors is from rough rollers.

Same guy mixed up colors at both places(at different times) so it is reasonable to assume some would be fairly similar

I like Alley for the first marble.

I guess you are saying that if the rollers are perfectly smooth one would never see the orange peel effect on these large marbles, Sorry but we are going to have to agree to disagree on that for now. John I just am trying to keep things light with a bit of humor. I tend to just go to the next thread when things get too technical and no fun.

I do not believe David makes Oxblood glass. He does throw certain glass(gfurnaceoldstone works sometimes) into the tank and Oxblood comes out. Making Oxblood glass is not easy and Brian is the only marble person I know that has (made) it from scratch. It is possible David has recently done some work with Oxblood I know nothing about? And when I see Oxblood with blue or Aqua glass I immediately think "accidental"Goldstone has been around for some time. It is certainly possible some may have found its way into any companies tanks?? so maybe accidentally on purpose?

Bob or Bill, I am with Bob tonight(LOL) Don't want him going crotchety just yet. < Is that proper English?

I have those three

I like to look John, not think(LOL) Maybe thats why I often post with out first thinking (loL) . I do not believe those wrinkles in that marble were pushed in by roller issues, but then I am not sure you are saying they were? Or are you saying the rollers just don't have a chance to smooth out the wrinkles before they cool? but that seemed obvious?

OH WOW!! NEAT MARBLE ANN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I only like it and its relatives in tiny amounts. It grows wild all around this area. Always have a big sack of the seeds on the boat when sturgeon fishing. You rub your hands in the seeds before baiting up. Gets rid of people stink and anise and fennel are a fish attractant . Things you can learn on a marble board are amazing(LOL)

In honor of Bobs post I had a bacon covered maple bar at this place http://www.buttercreambakery.com/ this morning figure I got my sodium, saturated fat and cholesterol for the week all in a few bites(LOL)

None that I have seen going by the last pics. ? The first pics reminded me of some of the large Akros with the brown and Oxblood striping. The last pics make it look like some of those rarely seen Masters?